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//Kristoffer
Sovjetiska soldater på Brittisk kyrkogård
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Kapten Kristoffer
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Sovjetiska soldater på Brittisk kyrkogård
Hur kommer det sig att det ligger 7 soldater från sovjet på den brittiska kyrkogården i Bayeux?
Det här är en av dem:
Fler ryssar, tjecker och andra nationaliteter:
Tacksam för svar
//Kristoffer
Det här är en av dem:
Fler ryssar, tjecker och andra nationaliteter:
Tacksam för svar
//Kristoffer
Antingen så kan det ju röra sig om soldater med ryskt påbrå, fritagna krigsfångar som dött, mördade krigsfångar, stupade osttruppen(fast då skulle de väl ha begravts på en tysk kyrkogård)? Jag vet inte riktigt, men några vilda gissningar kunde jag iaf bidra med. 
Angående tjeckerna; hade de inte enheter som, likt polackerna och norrmännen, stred tillsammans med de västallierade?
Angående tjeckerna; hade de inte enheter som, likt polackerna och norrmännen, stred tillsammans med de västallierade?
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Kapten Kristoffer
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Jo ang tjeckerna och polackerna det visste jag, jag tog bara med dem för att visa den ryska graven jämte. På jusst denna kyrkogård (I Bayeux) så vilar det tyskar också, men de ligger åtskillda från dessa ryssar. Det borde inte röa sig om soldater med ryskt påbrå då det står Sovjet forces. Krigsfångar är en möjlighet..
Tack för svaret iaf.
//Kristoffer
Tack för svaret iaf.
//Kristoffer
Intressant är ju:
Karesayev Khashi
Soviet Forces
28th April 1945
Min fetstil
Varför en död sovjet i Bayeux i april 1945?
MVH
Hans
Edit - aningen OT men ändå http://www.britishwargraves.org.uk/
Karesayev Khashi
Soviet Forces
28th April 1945
Min fetstil
Varför en död sovjet i Bayeux i april 1945?
MVH
Hans
Edit - aningen OT men ändå http://www.britishwargraves.org.uk/
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Kapten Kristoffer
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Gutekrigaren
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Förmodligen dog de av skador de fått under kriget.Kapten Kristoffer skrev:En bra fråga. Och om man zoomar in på det andra fotot så ser man på de gravarna som är längst tillvänster i 2:a raden står det.
12th June 1945
och 15:th July 1945
Eventuellt fanns det kanske medicinskt utbyte i slutskedet av kriget - att de västallierade vårdade svårt skadade sovjetiska soldater som röda armén själva inte klarade av?
Intressant teori, har aldrig hört talas om något liknande.Wooster skrev:
Förmodligen dog de av skador de fått under kriget.
Eventuellt fanns det kanske medicinskt utbyte i slutskedet av kriget - att de västallierade vårdade svårt skadade sovjetiska soldater som röda armén själva inte klarade av?
Jag lutar nog mer åt krigsfångar från något befriat läger, när kapitulerade kanalöarna? Troligtvis måste det ju ha funnits ettapsjukhus motsvarande vid stränderna fram tills krigsslutet. Mullberryn i Arromanche var väl i bruk tills dess, eller?
MVH
Hans
Min teori var kanske intressant, men Hans teori låter vettigare..Hans skrev:Intressant teori, har aldrig hört talas om något liknande.Wooster skrev:
Förmodligen dog de av skador de fått under kriget.
Eventuellt fanns det kanske medicinskt utbyte i slutskedet av kriget - att de västallierade vårdade svårt skadade sovjetiska soldater som röda armén själva inte klarade av?
Jag lutar nog mer åt krigsfångar från något befriat läger, när kapitulerade kanalöarna? Troligtvis måste det ju ha funnits ettapsjukhus motsvarande vid stränderna fram tills krigsslutet. Mullberryn i Arromanche var väl i bruk tills dess, eller?
MVH
Hans
Re: Sovjetiska soldater på Brittisk kyrkogård
Hi all...
I'm writting you from France.
I've found this forum which is very interesting. I usually write in a french forum dedicated only to Normandy campaign, and we have exactly the same question. We still don't know how these seven russian boys have been buried in a british military cemetery in Normandy. We have a few ideas, but perhaps have you got the same here... Some of our members wrote to different places to know, as yoy'll be able to see with the following link, but we still have no exact informations...
If someone here have news about this subjct, I'd be glad to know too...
I'm sorry, I still don't know any word of swedish (shame on me !!!
) but I can read english...
Sincerelly
Franck
http://forum.6juin1944.com/viewtopic.php?t=4590
I'm writting you from France.
I've found this forum which is very interesting. I usually write in a french forum dedicated only to Normandy campaign, and we have exactly the same question. We still don't know how these seven russian boys have been buried in a british military cemetery in Normandy. We have a few ideas, but perhaps have you got the same here... Some of our members wrote to different places to know, as yoy'll be able to see with the following link, but we still have no exact informations...
If someone here have news about this subjct, I'd be glad to know too...
I'm sorry, I still don't know any word of swedish (shame on me !!!
) but I can read english...Sincerelly
Franck
http://forum.6juin1944.com/viewtopic.php?t=4590
Re: Sovjetiska soldater på Brittisk kyrkogård
Hi,
Here are the two possibilities we found :
1) These Russians were prisonners of Germans, perhaps working for the Todt. Perhaps they didn't want to return in USSR and were wounded (bombardments ?) during the campaign.
or
2) They worked for the Allies to destroy minefields and were killed at the late dates we see on the graves...
What do you think ?
Franck
Here are the two possibilities we found :
1) These Russians were prisonners of Germans, perhaps working for the Todt. Perhaps they didn't want to return in USSR and were wounded (bombardments ?) during the campaign.
or
2) They worked for the Allies to destroy minefields and were killed at the late dates we see on the graves...
What do you think ?
Franck
Re: Sovjetiska soldater på Brittisk kyrkogård
Vore roligt om någon som kan grodätarslang kan summera den franska tråden?
Goeland - amazing you found our Forum!
First of all - pardon my english. To sum up our discussion we have no clue how the russian (soviet) soldiers ended upp at the British cementary in Bayeux.
What we have noticed is that it says "Soviet forces" and that the date of death is in the end of the war or even in some cases after the end of the war. Because it says "Soviet forces" its hard to belive they volunteered to Organisation Todt or Osttruppen. The late dates should implicate they were not killed during the battles in the area.
We have had several theories here on Skalman Forum - most of them based on the assumption that they were russian POWs kept in camps in France, or perhaps in the Channel Islands (if it were the Channel Island it would explain the late dates).
I had a theory that they were injured on the eastern front but taken to west-allies to get medical treatment - but noone had heard of such thing before so its unlikely. Other theories it that they were Soviet information- or intelligence (communication?) officers placed with the west allied forces.
The most likely theory is that they were POWs liberated by west allied forces. But it would be good to get it confirmed in some way.
Goeland - amazing you found our Forum!
First of all - pardon my english. To sum up our discussion we have no clue how the russian (soviet) soldiers ended upp at the British cementary in Bayeux.
What we have noticed is that it says "Soviet forces" and that the date of death is in the end of the war or even in some cases after the end of the war. Because it says "Soviet forces" its hard to belive they volunteered to Organisation Todt or Osttruppen. The late dates should implicate they were not killed during the battles in the area.
We have had several theories here on Skalman Forum - most of them based on the assumption that they were russian POWs kept in camps in France, or perhaps in the Channel Islands (if it were the Channel Island it would explain the late dates).
I had a theory that they were injured on the eastern front but taken to west-allies to get medical treatment - but noone had heard of such thing before so its unlikely. Other theories it that they were Soviet information- or intelligence (communication?) officers placed with the west allied forces.
The most likely theory is that they were POWs liberated by west allied forces. But it would be good to get it confirmed in some way.
As
Hi Wooster,
It's funny to see we have the same ideas in the two forums !...
Yes, as they're "Soviet forces" they were not Hiwis or Ostruppen.
We have thought too to medical aid from east front casualties, but we abandonned this track : Soviet army would never have let soldiers go west for that (and the trip would have been too long).
We have too abandonned the idea of secret agents (as soldiers Djebrailov, Akperoff and Djabrodiliev), but we realised that these would never have been buried in an official (and british) cemetery.
Your idea of Chanel islands soviet POWs is very good and allows to understand why these boys were buried in the biggest 1944 british cemetery in Normandy. We think that a massive operation of clearing minefields began on spring 1945 ; we know a lot of german POWs, and a lot of volunteers (even french) participated to it. So perhaps it can explain the late dates -and some after war- of the deaths...
For instance we have no news (or to parcelars) from russian autorities.
As soon we'll have information, I'll put them here !...
Franck
It's funny to see we have the same ideas in the two forums !...
Yes, as they're "Soviet forces" they were not Hiwis or Ostruppen.
We have thought too to medical aid from east front casualties, but we abandonned this track : Soviet army would never have let soldiers go west for that (and the trip would have been too long).
We have too abandonned the idea of secret agents (as soldiers Djebrailov, Akperoff and Djabrodiliev), but we realised that these would never have been buried in an official (and british) cemetery.
Your idea of Chanel islands soviet POWs is very good and allows to understand why these boys were buried in the biggest 1944 british cemetery in Normandy. We think that a massive operation of clearing minefields began on spring 1945 ; we know a lot of german POWs, and a lot of volunteers (even french) participated to it. So perhaps it can explain the late dates -and some after war- of the deaths...
For instance we have no news (or to parcelars) from russian autorities.
As soon we'll have information, I'll put them here !...
Franck
Re: As
Bienvenue Franck,
Il n’y a pas beaucoup de gens qui parlent française ici – mois je connais une petit peut. Si vous avez besoin d'une traduction SE-FR ou FR-SE, dites moi.
Cordialement
Hans
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Wooster,
De har gått längre och skrivit till ambassader och de ansvariga för kyrkogården men de har fortfarande inget klart svar.
MVH
Hans
Il n’y a pas beaucoup de gens qui parlent française ici – mois je connais une petit peut. Si vous avez besoin d'une traduction SE-FR ou FR-SE, dites moi.
Cordialement
Hans
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Wooster,
De har gått längre och skrivit till ambassader och de ansvariga för kyrkogården men de har fortfarande inget klart svar.
MVH
Hans