Aftonbladet avslöjar: Hitlers älskarinna

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Simon_HBG
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Aftonbladet avslöjar: Hitlers älskarinna

Inlägg av Simon_HBG » 21 maj 2002 12:15

Ännu ett avslöjande från Aftonbladet.. Denna gången skriver dom den halvjudiska prinsessan som var "spion" eller "älskarinna" åt Hitler..

Skiljer sig ju lite från däras förra "avslöjande" : "Hitler var homosexuell".

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/s ... 04,00.html

/ Simon

Mille1
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Inlägg av Mille1 » 21 maj 2002 12:47

Ja frågan är vad man ska tro på

AceRimmer
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Inlägg av AceRimmer » 21 maj 2002 13:27

Mille1 skrev:Ja frågan är vad man ska tro på
Inte på Aftoslasken iaf ;)

Orka
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Inlägg av Orka » 21 maj 2002 13:31

Undrar bara vad dom kommer med för Avslöjanden nästa gång ?

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J von B
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Inlägg av J von B » 21 maj 2002 15:14

Om nu den här författaren fått tag på Prinsessans dagböcker borde väl rimligtvis de kunna presentera några konkreta bevis om så vore fallet.
För mig ser det ut som de kokat soppa på en synål.

Mvh
/Johan

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Jonteman
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Inlägg av Jonteman » 21 maj 2002 17:01

Elvis lever då kan ju Hitler också leva :wink:

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Andreas Wien
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Inlägg av Andreas Wien » 21 maj 2002 19:32

Hojojaja!

Vilken underbyggd artikel, helt otroligt!

Om ni vill veta mer om denna intressanta dam, sa skippa Aftonblaskan och läs vidare här...

Det är sammanlagt 5 sidor, ni far bäddra längst ned!

http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/psf/box3/a31a01.html

Mvh Andreas Wien

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Aftonbladet

Inlägg av Finnrocker » 22 maj 2002 13:28

Känner jag Aftonbladet rätt så kommer nog snart det stora avslöjandet om att ingen mindre än KIKKI DANIELSSON är Hitlers okände dotter!?

/Markus

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Inlägg av Hartmann1943-45 » 23 maj 2002 11:53

Läste om Lothar Machtans bok Hitlers hemligheter
att egentligen var Adolf homosexuell, och Eva Braun var mest
till för att övertyga om motsatsen.
The Hidden Hitler


Review Summary
"Lothar Machtan "The Hidden Hitler" (Basic Books, 2001, ISBN 0-465-04308-9; English translation by John Brownjohn) Hitler books aren't everyone's cup of tea, but they must have an audience someplace, to judge by the 120,000+ publications produced about the notorious numero-uno Nazi since his death in 1945. As Ron Rosenbaum's excellent overview of some of the staples of this literature ("Explaining Hitler", New York: Random House, 1998, ISBN 0-06-095339-X) pointed out, readers consuming these works generally come away with a hungry feeling: Hitler somehow manages to escape our understanding in much the same way that he eluded justice by committing suicide in his Berlin bunker. Perhaps, posited Rosenbaum, both Hitler's weirdo personality and his monstrous crimes ultimately defy explanation. Dr. Lothar Machtan, a Bremen University historian, is undeterred by such pessimism. He offers a completely novel portrait of Hitler as a closet homosexual. At first blush, this assertion seems ludicrous. And gay critics have been especially outraged at this seeming attempt to tar homosexuals by association with the twentieth century poster boy for Manichean forces of darkness. But Machtan is assiduous in his assertion that Hitler's sexual orientation was not the cause of his moral and political misdeeds. He argues simply that, if you want to understand Hitler's real-life personality, you must understand not only his sexual orientation but his all-consuming compulsion to hide it from the public, in an era when homosexuality was an unthinkable lifestyle choice for any public servant--- not to mention militaristic dictators. To use a North American analogy, it is now public knowledge that FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover was a closet homosexual--- and this is crucial to a real understanding of both his public persona as a macho crime fighter and his extreme reluctance to act against organized crime in the US, due to the fact that mobster Meyer Lansky had covertly photographed him dressed in women's clothing, on the arm of longtime companion Clyde Tolson. Some reviewers have been critical of Machtan's failure to provide similar 'concrete proof' of his allegations of Hitler's homosexuality, complaining that he has just recycled slanderous allegations whipped up by Hitler's political enemies. Likely, anything that would be universally accepted 'concrete proof' is not now and probably never be available. But I think many readers would be impressed as I was by the sheer weight of Machtan's direct and circumstantial evidence. For example, Hitler's pre-1914 residence, a Vienna homeless men's hostel, just happened to be a known hangout for gay men... and Hitler's 1914-1918 military career, carefully glossed over in "Mein Kampf": why, despite four years' service, and winning the Iron Cross, did Hitler never make it past Private First Class? Machtan cites a document written by one of Hitler's fellow soldiers, Hans Mend, testifying that Hitler's sexual relationship with "his whore" Ernst Schmidt was well known to his entire regiment and its officers. The chapter detailing openly homosexual SA leader Ernst Roehm's relationship with Hitler, and their subsequent parting of ways, casts a whole new light of the infamous 1934 "Knight of the Long Knives". Coincidentally, the purges that followed wiped out many homosexual men with intimate personal knowledge of the Fuehrer's sexual past. Just before his suicide, the Fuehrer dispatched one of his trusted lackeys, Julius Schaub, on a dangeous mission: escape the flaming ruins of Berlin and go to Munich, where he successfully emptied the safe of Hitler's Munich apartment and burned all of its mysterious contents. I won't spoil the excitement by revealing any more. Suffice it to say that I think anyone with an interest in the subject will find "The Hidden Hitler" to be a spellbinder, whether they end up accepting Machtan's controversial thesis or not. "
James Wilson, Resident Lothar Machtan Scholar

Adolf Hitler. No other figure in contemporary history is associated with such far-reaching historical impact and such monstrous crimes. His name alone is emblematic of world war and Holocaust. If only because of the barbarity for which he is responsible, Adolf Hitler has become an anxiety neurosis, a vision of horror. And that is why he remains even now as he was to many of his contemporaries: an incomprehensible mystery. In the half century since his death, he has been the subject of over 120,000 publications, and yet the historian John Lukacs, who has tried to impose some sort of order on the chaotic jumble, comes to the significant conclusion that "We are far from done with Hitler." What Hitler did in history has been amply documented in the monumental work of historians and biographers such Alan Bullock, Joachim Fest, Hans Mommsen and Ian Kershaw. Who Hitler was, however, as a person, what anchored him emotionally, has either eluded or been of little interest to writers who often burden themselves with the search for the origin of his evil as the explanation for his life and its consequences. Drawing from a wealth of archival sources, much of which has been long overlooked by historians, The Hidden Hitler focuses on Hitler the man. Lothar Machtan's controversial thesis is that Adolf Hitler was homosexual, and that one cannot begin to understand him, his entry into politics, and the early Nazi movement without a clear understanding of this aspect of his identity.

The Hidden Hitler documents the homosexual milieu in which the young Hitler lived and thrived from his early years in Vienna, through the beginnings of his political career in Munich, and during his years as the F¸hrer. Machtan documents a succession of homosexual and homosexually inclined men among Hitler's most intimate friends and supporters, including August Kubizek, Rudolf H‰usler, Reinhold Hanisch, Ernst Schmidt, Ernst Rˆhm, Dietrich Eckart, Rudolf Hess, Emil Maurice, "Putzi" Hanfstaengl and Kurt Ludecke. Of these, Eckart and Rˆhm were pivotal to his entry into politics. Machtan also unearths surprising new documents that attest to Hitler's homosexuality in those early years. Of particular importance is the "Mend Protocol," portions of which appear for the first time in this book. While it is doubtful that Hitler was sexually active in any way (gay or straight) after 1933, his homosexual past, nevertheless, was his Achilles' heel. It threatened him politically and left him open to blackmail by his most intimate associates. The assasination of Ernst Rˆhm, along with roughly 150 other men over a four day period in 1934, served as a chilling message to all with knowledge, or access to knowledge, about the F¸hrer's past life.

Recent books on the Nazi movement have argued that the Third Reich was a fundamentally sordid regime. Machtan provides powerful new evidence in support of this view. This side of Hitler and his "Munich clique," as Goebbels put it, has never been so vividly evoked. As an intimate portrait of Hitler and as a surprising portrait of the homoerotic nature of the early Nazi movement, The Hidden Hitler is a major and certainly controversial contribution to the biographical literature. Anyone who has read any previous biographer of Adolf Hitler will read The Hidden Hitler and wonder, "how could they have missed entirely the homosexuality of Hitler and his entourage?"


Biography
The historian Lothar Machtan was born in 1949, got his PhD in 1978 and became a professor in 1989. He is an associate professor of Modern and Current History at Bremen University in Germany. In 1998, he published the acclaimed book, "Bismarcks Tod und Deutschlands Tränen" [Bismarck's Death and Germany's Tears]. He has also authored numerous publications on the social and political history of the 19th and 20th

Daniel H.
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Inlägg av Daniel H. » 24 maj 2002 12:06

Ja man undrar ju vad de ska hitta på nästa gång :roll:

Ruben
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Aftonbladet avslöjar

Inlägg av Ruben » 24 maj 2002 12:30

Aftonbladets tungt vägande bevisföring borde rimligtvis visa att Hitler var bisexuell.

Daniel H.
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Inlägg av Daniel H. » 24 maj 2002 12:45

Ja det vore ju det logiska :lol:

Ruben
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Finnrocker

Inlägg av Ruben » 24 maj 2002 13:40

Hur skulle de kunna påstå det? Kikki Danielsson saknar ju mustasch och har en från Hitler avvikande frisyr.

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Inlägg av Karl Bruno » 24 maj 2002 15:04

Fattar ni inte? Hon har ju genomgått en massa plastikoperationer så att släktskapet med Hitler inte ska märkas, det skulle kunna sätta käppar i hjulet för hennes karriär. :wink:

Finnrocker
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Kikki Hitler

Inlägg av Finnrocker » 24 maj 2002 15:13

Det verkar som Israel var lyckligt omedvetna om Kikkis ursprung under 1985 års schlager-EM då deras jury gav Norges (Kikki bl a) La de swinge bidrag en fullpoängare, 12 poäng.

/Markus