slakt av Nashorn

[liljekonvalj]

Hörde någon nämna om en grupp på ett 40-tal Nashorn (kan varit någon liknande variant) körde ifrån sitt infanteriunderstöd någonstans under operation Barbossa och att dom sedan blev inringade av ett stort antal ryska infanterister som gjorde kål på dom. Det tragiska va att Nashornen i detta tidiga skede saknade ksp och kunde inte försvara sig mot anfallande infanterister. Efter denna incident ska det ha monterats ksp på nashornen.

Är det någon som kan stärka detta, eller är detta bara någon skröna jag hört? Om detta hänt kan någon ge lite mer info om händelsen.

Tackar på förhand!

[Per Andersson]

Det låter inte helt olikt vad jag hört om första större insatsen av Panzerjäger Tiger (P) 'Ferdinand', vid Kursk.

[Hans Rosenberg]

http://www.achtungpanzer.com berättar följande:

On the first days of action, Ferdinands were disaster due to the technical problems (few were lost because of the fuel line fires), the lack of adequate support and the most important the lack of a self-defense weapon. Many Ferdinands were destroyed either by their crews after being immobilized (by combat damage or mechanical problem) or by Soviet infantry and artillery as well as by SU-152 "Zwieroboj" heavy mechanised guns. It was recorded that some Ferdinand's crews (ex. Major Noak's crew) used to fire their 7.92mm MG34 machine guns through the barrel of main 88mm gun while others mounted their 7.92mm MG34 underneath the gun, in order to fire at the enemy infantry units. Temporary field-made solution was the rear mounted platform for Panzergrenadiers, but it only resulted in heavy casualties among them.

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After the Kursk offensive, commanders reported their problems encountered while using the Ferdinands. The main problem was the lack of machine gun in the hull for self defense made, making the Ferdinands vulnerable to attacks of enemy infantry and anti-tank units. Other features such as: the gun mount (lack of traversing turret), drive system (Porsche's Tiger - VK4501(P)) and lack of power (weight/engine power ratio) were also giving trouble to their crews. In October of 1943, 50 survivors were sent back to the factory for badly needed repairs and pre-planned modernization. Modernization consisted of the installation of a MG34 in the hull, improvement of armor protection, installation of wider tracks and installation of commander's cupola (developed from that of Stug III Ausf G), which provided improved visibility. Most of the Elephants were partially covered with Zimmerite, an anti-magnetic paste. Modernization was made in February and March of 1944 by Nibelungenwerke in Austria and modified Ferdinands were renamed Elephants. Officially Ferdinands were renamed Elephants in general order dated May 1st of 1944.

[-vils-]

Om det handlar om Barbarossa är detta helt otänkbart. Varken Nashorn eller Tigers fanns vid den tidpunkten, utan kom under 1943, då Barbarossa sedan länge var slut.

Jag vet inte när Barbarossa slutar, men jag 'tror' det var vid erövrandet av Sevastopol 1941?