Quiz: Pansarhistoria

Diskussioner kring pansarfordon och dess utveckling genom tiderna.
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The Vickers machine-gun tricycle: 1901

The two-man machine-gun tricycle ready for action. Applying the steadying tubes raises the rear wheels off the ground.

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The two-man machine-gun tricycle in action, with both guns firing simultaneously. The side-tubes have been lowered and dug into the ground- for some reason they are described as "tripods" in the press release above. The two of them weighed 106 pounds, which was nearly a third of the weight of the vehicle, and one wonders why they could not have been made lighter.
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Several prototype military tricycles and quadricycles were also adapted for carrying the Maxim, though the ensemble was invariably too heavy to move across rough ground and could only really be used on a road. The tandem tricycle illustrated below was built by Vickers Son & Maxim. It carried two machine guns hinged and mounted at the rear. 1000 rounds of ammunition were loaded into boxes mounted onto long ‘tripod’ tubes fitted to both sides of the tricycle; these tubes were hinged and when the machine guns were ready for firing they became braces to dig into the ground to hold the outfit in place. The weight of the tricycle plus guns and ammunition was 374lbs. It was too heavy to pedal up an incline (though it could be towed by other cyclists).

Despite its impracticality, the prototype military tandem tricycle with mounted Maxim machine guns is surely the most impressive outfit ever conceived. Though it was not practical, and, with the invention of motorised transportation, soon outdated, its concept is brilliant.
The bicycle artillery corps is a body of recent creation which seems to be destined for a great future. In fact, it is now in a fair way of doing reconnoissance duty in place of the cavalry. How much superior, indeed, is a bicyclist to a horseman. He is always ready to start immediately, while the latter has to wait to harness and saddle his steed. Then, again, the bicycle is faster than the horse, and requires less care; and the fact that no food is needed constitutes an appreciable advantage in a campaign in which so many difficulties are met with in the way of procuring forage. It is true that the bicycle can be used only upon roads, but in France and Germany the byroads, large and small, are so accessible that the use of it is capable of being made general.

Such considerations have led the large English house of Vickers, Sons & Maxim to devise a machine gun tricycle, which we represent in the accompanying engravings. Two light Maxim guns are mounted upon the tricycle, the weight of which is 120 pounds, while that of the two guns is 54, that of the tripods 106, that of the spare pieces 8, and that of the 1,000 cartridges, with their case, 86. This constitutes a total weight of 374 pounds, to which is to be added that of the two men who ride the vehicle. It seems that such a tricycle is capable of running at a high rate of speed upon a level. Upon up-grades, however, it is necessary to dismount and push the machine.

– Scientific American Magazine, 1901
https://onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/1899- ... ith-maxim/

In 1895, Hiram Maxim responded to the U.S. adoption of the comparatively lightweight Colt M1895 machine gun (aka, the Potato Digger) by developing his own "Extra Light" version of the Maxim gun. By making his gun air-cooled instead of water-cooled and making many other parts lighter, he produced a machine gun in .303 British caliber that weighed just 27.5 lbs. (44.5 lbs. with its tripod). That was a major improvement over the standard Maxim, which often weighed more than 100 pounds with a mount.

In 1895, Hiram Maxim responded to the U.S. adoption of the comparatively lightweight Colt M1895 machine gun (aka, the Potato Digger) by developing his own "Extra Light" version of the Maxim gun. By making his gun air-cooled instead of water-cooled and making many other parts lighter, he produced a machine gun in .303 British caliber that weighed just 27.5 lbs. (44.5 lbs. with its tripod). That was a major improvement over the standard Maxim, which often weighed more than 100 pounds with a mount.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... -tricycle/


PS Kanske inte riktigt *pansar*historia, men who cares :lol: :thumbsup:

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Re: Quiz: Pansarhistoria

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Femtiotrean skrev:
01 feb 2021 11:54
PS Kanske inte riktigt *pansar*historia, men who cares :lol: :thumbsup:
Instämmer fullständigt.

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Femtiotrean ställer ny fråga !

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Alla ser vad för ett fordon det är i bilden, men vem kan berätta oss lite mer?
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En MTU-20 ''broläggare''

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Varjagen kunde kanske ha berättat oss *lite* mer, men svaret är onekligen helt rätt! Det är ett MTU-2020 som är
a new bridge layer tank based on the T-90A whose chassis has been extended, along with the addition of a road wheel.

Russian army displays new MTU-2020 bridge layer tank
The T-90A, basis of the MTU-2020, is the successor of the standard T-90 main battle tank. T-90As entered service in 2005, replacing the aging T-72s and T-80s and forming the backbone of Russian ground forces. The MTU-2020 can reach 60 km/h, which means that its heavy folding bridge doesn’t affect the tank’s performance. The bridge made of composite steel is 27 meters long when unfolded, and 4.60 meters wide. It can stand the passage of a 60-tonne load. The complete system weighs 58.5 tonnes. The crew counts two members.

Varjagen kanske räknade hjulen :wink: men hur som helst det är han som har frågan!

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Ett par -
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Femtiotrean vinner igen !

Din fråga, Varjag

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Re: Quiz: Pansarhistoria

Inlägg av Femtiotrean » 03 feb 2021 20:27

Den japanska wikipediasidan vet ingenting om "Typ 2587" (eller "Typ 87") Crossley-kopior byggda i Japan - och man kan undra om de verkligen fanns. Globalsecurity-sidan ger ingen källa...

Nu söker vi ett pansarbandvagn som kanske inte är helt unikt men inte heller en direkt kopia av något annat bepansrat bandgående fordon.
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Inlägg av Femtiotrean » 05 feb 2021 11:37

Jag vet naturligtvis hur det är med riktiga kunnare, men för mig berättat bilden att vagnen på 1960-talet och förbättrad eller uppgraderad på 1970-talet. Antagligen inte amerikansk, sovjetisk eller israelisk.

Nu är det så att jag vet att vagnen har sett krig och att det var ingen stor succé. Följaktligen skrotades de flesta som inte blivit sönderskjutna, men åtminstone enligt Wikipedia så finns det fortfarande i bruk i två länder.
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Bra, tog en stund innan jag hittade chassiet. Dracks följande ombord:

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Fast inte den tjeckiska eller ungerska.

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Jasså. Om jag har förstått rätt, så finns det i princip två grand strategies eller sätt att njuta starka alkoholdrycker när man dricker själv som man säger: (1) man börjar och slutar när flaskan är tom (eller pengarna slut), och (2) man börjar och "makes sure that every glass you pour is smaller than the previous one".
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The :?: is the first armoured personnel carrier, developed by the defence industry of the :?: . The decision to produce the :?: was made in 1957, followed by the first prototype in 1958.
Serial production started in 1962 and :?: was publicly presented on Victory day parade same year. The quality of the vehicles did not satisfy the requirements given by :?: , so :?: has started the development of upgraded model, :?: which was introduced in production in 1970. By 1979 a total of 790 vehicles were produced, 190 of which were exported (most of them to :?: ).
A few years later, in 1973 to be more precise, a new version of the vehicle was launched, equipped with two 82 mm recoilless guns :?: (on the left rear end of the vehicle), which was now called :?:
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1. Alkohol
53'an och Hans möts med varsin flaska Koskenkorva, innan vi börjar halsa så säger Hans 'Skål'. 53'an svarar 'Är vi här för att supa eller för att prata?'

2. Pansar
https://tanknutdave.com/the-yugoslavian-m-60p-apc/
Då PB.

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