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liljekonvalj
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Inlägg av liljekonvalj » 30 sep 2002 15:21

hmm hur stämmer Rudels högerextrema tankar ihop med det här:

Hans Ulrich Rudel was not a member of the Nazi party, participated in no war crimes, did not go into hiding after the war, and was never even accused of any such activities by any organization or Nazi-hunter, including the Shin Bet.

http://members.aol.com/ab763/rudel.htm

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Patrik
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Inlägg av Patrik » 30 sep 2002 15:52

liljekonvalj skrev:hmm hur stämmer Rudels högerextrema tankar ihop med det här:

Hans Ulrich Rudel was not a member of the Nazi party, participated in no war crimes, did not go into hiding after the war, and was never even accused of any such activities by any organization or Nazi-hunter, including the Shin Bet.

http://members.aol.com/ab763/rudel.htm
Nu behöver man inte vara nazist för att vara högerextrem, det finns en ganska stor skillnad inom den högerextrema rörelsen där du å ena sidan har "hardcore" gänget och å andra sidan har mer "liberala" grupper som tonar ner rasismen o.s.v.
NSDAP slukade ju en hel del av de extrem nationalistiska partierna i Tyskland innan makttillträdet och efter 1933, så de tär väl inte helt omöjligt att han var sympatisör till något sånt parti.

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frodeh
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Inlägg av frodeh » 30 sep 2002 22:07

liljekonvalj skrev:hmm hur stämmer Rudels högerextrema tankar ihop med det här:

Hans Ulrich Rudel was not a member of the Nazi party, participated in no war crimes, did not go into hiding after the war, and was never even accused of any such activities by any organization or Nazi-hunter, including the Shin Bet.

http://members.aol.com/ab763/rudel.htm
Det stemmer jo overhodet ikke med dette:

"Hans Ulrich Rudel, the son of a Protestant minister, was born in Konradswaldau, Germany, on 2nd July 1916. A member of the Nazi Party he joined the Luftwaffe and flew 2,530 sorties and claimed to have destroyed 519 Soviet tanks on the Eastern Front. During this period he was shot down nearly thirty times by anti-aircraft fire.

In January, 1945, Rudel was awarded the Golden Oakleaves and was promoted to the rank of colonel. On 9th February he was shot down over the Soviet Union. After having one leg amputated he was back on duty six weeks later.

After the Second World War he fled to Argentina. He returned in 1953 and joined the neo-Nazi German Reich Party. His memoirs, Stuka Pilot, was published in 1958. A successful businessman in post-war Germany, Hans Ulrich Rudel died in 1982."

..men det er hentet fra web og ikke pålitelig før noen kontrollerer det med mer seriøse kilder.

Frode

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Patrik
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Inlägg av Patrik » 30 sep 2002 22:26

Hittade följande om Rudel - verkar ha varit en riktig skum typ.

In 1946, Rudel left the Bavarian hospital and started working as a haulage contractor and in 1948, left for Argentina, where he worked for the State Airplane Worksand organized with other escaped Nazis a NSDAP party-like structure.

In 1951, Rudel published two booklets in Buenos Aires, "Wir Frontsoldaten zur Wiederaufrüstung" (We Frontline Soldiers and Our Opinion to Rearmament of Germany) and "Dolchstoß oder Legende" (Daggerthrust or Legend). In the first book, Rudel claims to speak for all frontline soldiers stating that they would fight again against the Bolsheviks and that Germany's "Lebensraum" (Living Space) is in the East.In his second book, Rudel condemns notonly all the soldiers who tried to kill Hitler as traitors, but also the staff officers of the Wehrmacht stating that both groups were directly responsible for the defeat.

[...] became a candidate for the Deutsche Reichspartei (DRP) an ultraconservative party but was unsuccessful.

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He never denounced Nazi ideology and embarrassed the West
German government several times with extreme right-wing activities.

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På de här, och några andra sidor så verkar det faktiskt som han var nazist. Enligt Achtung Panzer sidan var han tom villig att landa med en JU 87:a och rädda Hitler.