Springsharp projekt

[steben]

Ja jag har också tänkt på det. Staten skjuter nog till lite extra pengar pga krigsläget, 3.5milj låter bra. Pansarbåtsinsamlingen hur blir det med den? Den borde väl ligga i perioden 1910-1915, bör vi inte ta imot svenska folkets patriotiska gåva?

Ska vi bestäma ett datum när period ett 1910-15 ska vara färdig? Vi kan också ta det lite lungt och vänta tills alla är färdiga och nöjda. Då hinner vi diskutera varandras båtar lite mer, ge feedback och så. Vad tycker ni?


//Stofilen

Så sant den måste vi ju ta emot, oförskämt vore det annars. 1 m £ till då ?

[Stofilen]

Ok! Då spikar vi det, perioden 1910-1915 £3.5 milioner och perioden 1915-1920 £3.5 milioner.

// Stofilen

[steben]

Här har vi min flottas nytillskott...de två lätta kryssarna Clas Uggla och Clas Horn samt pansarkryssarna Göta Leijon och Finland, till en totalkostnad av 3,094 m £....jag spar resten 0,406 m £./Stefan

Clas Uggla, Swedish Light Cruiser laid down 1910

Displacement:
4 466 t light; 4 633 t standard; 5 240 t normal; 5 726 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
453,74 ft / 452,76 ft x 45,93 ft x 17,22 ft (normal load)
138,30 m / 138,00 m x 14,00 m x 5,25 m

Armament:
6 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns (4 mounts), 100,09lbs / 45,40kg shells, 1910 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
4 - 3,54" / 90,0 mm guns in single mounts, 26,46lbs / 12,00kg shells, 1910 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, all forward
4 - 0,31" / 8,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 1910 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 706 lbs / 320 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 18,0" / 457 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1,97" / 50 mm 395,67 ft / 120,60 m 7,87 ft / 2,40 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 134 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3,15" / 80 mm 1,38" / 35 mm 2,95" / 75 mm
3rd: 0,98" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 0,98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 1,97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 42 822 shp / 31 945 Kw = 29,00 kts
Range 3 500nm at 14,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 093 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
307 - 400

Cost:
£0,506 million / $2,023 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 91 tons, 1,7 %
Armour: 581 tons, 11,1 %
- Belts: 244 tons, 4,7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Armament: 68 tons, 1,3 %
- Armour Deck: 255 tons, 4,9 %
- Conning Tower: 13 tons, 0,2 %
Machinery: 1 946 tons, 37,1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 818 tons, 34,7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 773 tons, 14,8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 30 tons, 0,6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
3 441 lbs / 1 561 Kg = 32,1 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 0,7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,19
Metacentric height 2,1 ft / 0,7 m
Roll period: 13,2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,42
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,06

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0,512
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,86 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21,28 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,98 ft / 0,30 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22,15 ft / 6,75 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Mid (60 %): 18,04 ft / 5,50 m (9,84 ft / 3,00 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 10,66 ft / 3,25 m
- Stern: 11,48 ft / 3,50 m
- Average freeboard: 15,90 ft / 4,85 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 134,4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108,9 %
Waterplane Area: 14 009 Square feet or 1 301 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 77 lbs/sq ft or 376 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,51
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

2 ships in class Clas Uggla, Clas Horn.
Laid down 1910-11, Completed 1913-14.
Rails and raised sternports for 60 mines on maindeck., alternatively 80 depthcharges.
Torpedotubes in 4 dualmounts, 2 mounts on each beam on quarterdeck.
90 mm QF guns replaced by HA 90 mm antiaircraft mounts 1915.
152 mm guns, 25 degree elevation.






Göta Leijon, Swedish Heavy Cruiser laid down 1912

Displacement:
9 892 t light; 10 434 t standard; 11 399 t normal; 12 171 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
510,17 ft / 508,53 ft x 67,26 ft x 21,33 ft (normal load)
155,50 m / 155,00 m x 20,50 m x 6,50 m

Armament:
8 - 9,45" / 240 mm guns (4x2 guns), 473,99lbs / 215,00kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread, 1 raised mount
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
4 - 3,54" / 90,0 mm guns in single mounts, 22,24lbs / 10,09kg shells, 1910 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, all forward
4 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
4 - 3,54" / 90,0 mm guns in single mounts, 22,24lbs / 10,09kg shells, 1915 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all forward
2 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm guns in single mounts, 5,65lbs / 2,56kg shells, 1916 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all forward, all raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 0,31" / 8,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 1910 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 3 981 lbs / 1 806 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 140
8 - 18,0" / 457 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 6,89" / 175 mm 321,52 ft / 98,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m
Ends: 1,97" / 50 mm 164,04 ft / 50,00 m 7,38 ft / 2,25 m
22,97 ft / 7,00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 1,97" / 50 mm 321,52 ft / 98,00 m 7,87 ft / 2,40 m
Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7,87" / 200 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 6,89" / 175 mm
2nd: 1,97" / 50 mm - 0,98" / 25 mm
3rd: 1,97" / 50 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1,77" / 45 mm, Conning tower: 5,91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 52 144 shp / 38 900 Kw = 27,00 kts
Range 3 800nm at 14,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 738 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
551 - 717

Cost:
£1,041 million / $4,162 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 445 tons, 3,9 %
Armour: 2 736 tons, 24,0 %
- Belts: 1 086 tons, 9,5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Armament: 806 tons, 7,1 %
- Armour Deck: 780 tons, 6,8 %
- Conning Tower: 64 tons, 0,6 %
Machinery: 2 287 tons, 20,1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 371 tons, 38,3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 507 tons, 13,2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 53 tons, 0,5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
12 559 lbs / 5 697 Kg = 29,8 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 1,7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
Metacentric height 3,2 ft / 1,0 m
Roll period: 15,8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,67
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0,547
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,56 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22,55 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1,64 ft / 0,50 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24,44 ft / 7,45 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20,34 ft / 6,20 m
- Mid (70 %): 18,70 ft / 5,70 m (10,50 ft / 3,20 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 11,48 ft / 3,50 m
- Stern: 12,47 ft / 3,80 m
- Average freeboard: 17,60 ft / 5,37 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 96,2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127,3 %
Waterplane Area: 23 802 Square feet or 2 211 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 124 lbs/sq ft or 606 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,53
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

2 ships Göta Leijon och Finland, laid down 1912 completed 1916.
57 mm L/28 m/16 guns, portable with HA-tripods.
Torpedo tubes in dual mounts, 2 on each beam on quarterdeck.
Rails for 40 mines on quarterdeck.

[Psilander]

Jag baserar min flotta den jag tidigare producerat. Den är uppdelad i 2 divsioner kring lätta kryssare stödda av Slagkryssare.

1. Div, byggda 1910-15(Johan Puke, Gustaf Psilander, Wrangel, Wachtmeister)
4xAmiral-klassens kryssare
4500t
2x4 152mm
0,39m pund, 1,6milj

HMS Nordstierneorden
1912-1916
21000t
2x4 305mm
1,9milj

summa: 3,5milj

2. div Byggda 1916-18
2x mod amiral klass(HMS Ehrenskiöld och Nordenskiöld)
5000t
2x5 152mm
0,75m pund, 1,5milj

HMS Swärdsorden
1915-1919
21000t
2x4 305mm
1,9milj
summa 3,4milj

överblivna medel satsas i marinflyget för inköp av Bristol Fighters 1917

[Stofilen]

Hej, har varit lite upptagen med annat men skeppen är på gång! Jag vet inte om ni noterat att ss simulerar prisökning över tid. Jag vet inte hur dom räknar men någon typ av inflation är inblandad Detta ställer till problem för oss om vi ska ha en fast budjetram. £ 2.5 milioner kommer inte att räcka någonstans när vi kommer in på 20 och 30-talet. Jag har räknat lite på prisökningen baserat på att köra samma skepp (en kryssare och ett panarskepp) på olika årtal. Prisökningen blev följande:

1910-15: 0% (3.5) (3.5)
1915-20:179% (3.5) (6.3)
1920-25:148% (2.5) (6.6)
1925-30:132% (2.0) (7.0)
1930-35:123% (2.5) (11)
1935-40:119% (3.0) (15.5)

Första kolumnen är prisökningen i % från föregående period, andra kolumnen är min tänkta budjet för perioden ( i 1910 år valutavärde) och tredje kolumnen är budjeten justerad för prisökningen. Ganska stor skillnad eller hur! Mattematik är inte min favorit gren så ni kan räkna lite själva om ni är nyfikna. Nu var det ju tänkt att vi skulle ta en period i taget, men jag tänkte att det är lika bra att ta upp det på en gång.

//Stofilen

[Psilander]

Det är därför en tonage begränsing är lämpligare, dvs hur stor kapacitet har jag och mina varv att spotta ut batar, en total begränsing pa säg 20000 per fem ar, eller 5000 ton om aret, da byggs ett fartyg pa 20000t pa fyra ar, och inget annat kan kölsträckas, eller 4 x 1000 tons batar om aret.

[steben]

Deplacement eller den föreslagna budgeten funkar båda för mig. Schyssta divisioner du fått ihop Psilander, det är kanonerna som räknas ser jag;) /Stefan

[Psilander]

Deplacement eller den föreslagna budgeten funkar båda för mig. Schyssta divisioner du fått ihop Psilander, det är kanonerna som räknas ser jag;) /Stefan

Japp som gamle chef sa: Verkan före skydd

[Stofilen]

Här kommer mina byggen för 1910-1915.
Vi börjar med ett slagskepp:

Svärdet,

Swedish Battleship laid down 1912, completed 1916

Displacement:
16 960 t light; 18 015 t standard; 18 784 t normal; 19 398 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
524,93 ft / 524,93 ft x 78,74 ft x 26,25 ft (normal load)
160,00 m / 160,00 m x 24,00 m x 8,00 m

Armament:
6 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (2x3 guns), 865,70lbs / 392,68kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 865,70lbs / 392,68kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
6 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
12 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm guns in single mounts, 5,65lbs / 2,56kg shells, 1912 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 9 368 lbs / 4 249 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 125

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 341,21 ft / 104,00 m 10,66 ft / 3,25 m
Ends: 7,87" / 200 mm 183,69 ft / 55,99 m 10,66 ft / 3,25 m
Upper: 3,94" / 100 mm 341,21 ft / 104,00 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,97" / 50 mm 341,21 ft / 104,00 m 24,80 ft / 7,56 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 11,8" / 300 mm
2nd: 11,8" / 300 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 11,8" / 300 mm
3rd: 5,91" / 150 mm 1,97" / 50 mm 5,91" / 150 mm

- Armour deck: 2,76" / 70 mm, Conning tower: 11,81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 26 971 shp / 20 121 Kw = 21,00 kts
Range 3 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 383 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
801 - 1 042

Cost:
£1,743 million / $6,971 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 171 tons, 6,2 %
Armour: 7 113 tons, 37,9 %
- Belts: 2 913 tons, 15,5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 616 tons, 3,3 %
- Armament: 1 853 tons, 9,9 %
- Armour Deck: 1 550 tons, 8,3 %
- Conning Tower: 180 tons, 1,0 %
Machinery: 1 183 tons, 6,3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7 493 tons, 39,9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 824 tons, 9,7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
24 579 lbs / 11 149 Kg = 28,4 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 4,5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,06
Metacentric height 3,9 ft / 1,2 m
Roll period: 16,7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,78
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,23

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,606
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,67 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22,91 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 41
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25,20 ft / 7,68 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16,04 ft / 4,89 m
- Mid (50 %): 16,04 ft / 4,89 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16,04 ft / 4,89 m
- Stern: 16,04 ft / 4,89 m
- Average freeboard: 16,78 ft / 5,11 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91,9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116,0 %
Waterplane Area: 30 400 Square feet or 2 824 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 174 lbs/sq ft or 849 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,56
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Swedens first dreadnougt laid down 1912, compleated in 1916. Built in sweden but drawings were providet by Italian shipyards. Simular to Italian Conte Di Cavor class but without midship turret. Majority of the funds for this ship was raised by public donations.

Sedan fortsätter vi med en klass med lätta kryssare:

Clas- class, Swedish Light crusers laid down 1912, completed 1915

Displacement:
3 737 t light; 3 898 t standard; 4 208 t normal; 4 456 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
426,51 ft / 426,51 ft x 41,99 ft x 20,51 ft (normal load)
130,00 m / 130,00 m x 12,80 m x 6,25 m

Armament:
8 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns (4x2 guns), 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm guns in single mounts, 5,65lbs / 2,56kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 902 lbs / 409 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
4 - 21,0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes, 2 - 21,0" / 533 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2,95" / 75 mm 311,68 ft / 95,00 m 7,78 ft / 2,37 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 112 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3,94" / 100 mm 1,97" / 50 mm 1,97" / 50 mm

- Armour deck: 0,98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 2,95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 29 556 shp / 22 049 Kw = 27,50 kts
Range 3 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 557 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
260 - 339

Cost:
£0,407 million / $1,628 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 113 tons, 2,7 %
Armour: 598 tons, 14,2 %
- Belts: 291 tons, 6,9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Armament: 90 tons, 2,1 %
- Armour Deck: 201 tons, 4,8 %
- Conning Tower: 17 tons, 0,4 %
Machinery: 1 296 tons, 30,8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 680 tons, 39,9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 471 tons, 11,2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 1,2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2 750 lbs / 1 247 Kg = 25,7 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 0,7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,06
Metacentric height 1,5 ft / 0,5 m
Roll period: 14,4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,88
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,31

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,401
Length to Beam Ratio: 10,16 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20,65 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22,80 ft / 6,95 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 14,50 ft / 4,42 m
- Mid (50 %): 14,50 ft / 4,42 m
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 14,50 ft / 4,42 m
- Stern: 14,50 ft / 4,42 m
- Average freeboard: 15,00 ft / 4,57 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 127,9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 99,2 %
Waterplane Area: 11 032 Square feet or 1 025 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 80 lbs/sq ft or 393 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,92
- Longitudinal: 2,15
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


Budjeten blir som följer: Svärdet £ 1.743 4st clas kryssare £ 0.407*4=£ 1.628
totalt 3.371 kvarvarnde 0.129 spar jag.


Stofilen

[Psilander]

Trevliga skapelser. Nagra kommentarer

- Ang Svärdet
Är inte 3 eldrör per bredsida i sekundärartilleriet lite lite i ett högrisk omrade för jagare, kryssare och torpedbatar som östersjön. Förslag, minska huvudartilleriet med tva eldrör och ha atminstone 6 eldrör per bredsida.

Jag tycker jag känner igen Clas-kryssarna

[steben]

Jävlar i mig Stofilen det var ingen liten båt, vart ska du gömma den Ett tips använd 10 eldrör på 4 torn c/l-distrubuted, du vinner i skrovstyrka på det genom att ha "aft main mounts seperated by engineroom".

[Psilander]

Jag det är svart att undvika stort djupgaende. Försök undvika komma över 7m.

Min aningens större Sverige med 12x30,5 eldrör och 3x2 15,2 i bredsidan, stcker bara 7,5m. (litet tryck fel, star 4x2 305m kanoner skall sta 4x3 305mm kanoner)



Sverige, Sweden Dreadnought laid down 1910

Displacement:
19 426 t light; 20 865 t standard; 21 991 t normal; 22 892 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
541,34 ft / 541,34 ft x 91,86 ft x 24,61 ft (normal load)
165,00 m / 165,00 m x 28,00 m x 7,50 m

Armament:
12 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (4x3 guns), 865,70lbs / 392,67kg shells, 1910 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread, 1 raised mount
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
12 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns (6x2 guns), 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1902 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
12 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm guns (8 mounts), 5,65lbs / 2,56kg shells, 1910 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 11 742 lbs / 5 326 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
2 - 21,0" / 533 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12,0" / 305 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 11,52 ft / 3,51 m
Ends: 7,87" / 200 mm 195,18 ft / 59,49 m 11,52 ft / 3,51 m
83,69 ft / 25,51 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 7,87" / 200 mm 362,53 ft / 110,50 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 75 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12,0" / 305 mm 7,87" / 200 mm 12,0" / 305 mm
2nd: 4,92" / 125 mm 1,77" / 45 mm 4,92" / 125 mm

- Armour deck: 2,56" / 65 mm, Conning tower: 7,87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 30 391 shp / 22 672 Kw = 21,00 kts
Range 5 500nm at 10,00 kts (Bunkerage = 2 027 tons)

Complement:
902 - 1 173

Cost:
£2,106 million / $8,425 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 468 tons, 6,7 %
Armour: 7 914 tons, 36,0 %
- Belts: 3 395 tons, 15,4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Armament: 2 617 tons, 11,9 %
- Armour Deck: 1 769 tons, 8,0 %
- Conning Tower: 133 tons, 0,6 %
Machinery: 1 381 tons, 6,3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 8 612 tons, 39,2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 565 tons, 11,7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0,2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
28 465 lbs / 12 912 Kg = 32,9 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 3,4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13
Metacentric height 5,5 ft / 1,7 m
Roll period: 16,4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,55
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,22

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,629
Length to Beam Ratio: 5,89 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23,27 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 45
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25,98 ft / 7,92 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16,54 ft / 5,04 m
- Mid (50 %): 16,54 ft / 5,04 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16,54 ft / 5,04 m
- Stern: 16,54 ft / 5,04 m
- Average freeboard: 17,29 ft / 5,27 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73,9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 130,5 %
Waterplane Area: 37 366 Square feet or 3 471 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 175 lbs/sq ft or 856 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,96
- Longitudinal: 1,44
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Stofilen]

Tack för kommentarerna
Svärdet är inte byggd för östersjön, hon ska opererea på nordsjön. Hemma hamn i någon trevlig norsk fjord där det är djupt. Det hade nog varit bättre på flera sätt att ha ett torn i mitten, men det tornet blir inte lika användbart. När man bara har 4st torn så måste alla dessa vara optimalt placerade, så tänkte jag. Jag håller dock med om att sekundärarteleriet är svagt, från början hade den dubbelpjäser dvs 12st. Det var en av de saker som fick offras. Närskyddet får lösas med hjälp av eskorterande jagare eller fylgia kryssare. Priset var det som styrde max 1.75milioner, annars skulle det bara bli 3st nya kryssare. Clas kryssarna byggdes för att bli så billiga som möjligt fast med en kraftig bestykning. Då blev dom ganska så lika. Ska börja med 1915-20 i helgen.

//Stofilen

[Psilander]

12 eler 10,5cm kanoner kan vara lösningen pa sekundär artilleriet.

[Stofilen]

Här kommer mina byggen för 1915-1920, Två slagskepp av modifierad Svärdet typ. Efter kritik från amiralitetet så har dom fått dubbla 12:or istället för 15,2:orna och snabbskjutande 75mm pjäser i stället för 57mm. Skrov maskineri och huvudbeväpningen är oförändrad. Tjockare bepansring på samtliga torn som ett svar på omvärdens allt grövre kalibrar. Kostnad per styck £2,853 millioner, totalt för två 5,706. Jag slänger även in den lätta kryssaren Hugin som är en modifierad clas kryssare, kostnad för den £0,676 millioner, totalt 6,382. Budjet för perioden är 6,429 ink besparingarna på 0,129. Kvar på sparkontot är 0,047milioner.

Konungen + Spiran

Swedish Battleship laid down 1916 completed 1920

Displacement:
17 055 t light; 18 119 t standard; 18 784 t normal; 19 315 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
524,93 ft / 524,93 ft x 78,74 ft x 26,25 ft (normal load)
160,00 m / 160,00 m x 24,00 m x 8,00 m

Armament:
6 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (2x3 guns), 865,70lbs / 392,68kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 865,70lbs / 392,68kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
12 - 4,72" / 120 mm guns (6x2 guns), 52,72lbs / 23,92kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
12 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm guns in single mounts, 12,87lbs / 5,84kg shells, 1916 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 9 444 lbs / 4 284 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 125

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 341,21 ft / 104,00 m 10,66 ft / 3,25 m
Ends: 7,87" / 200 mm 183,69 ft / 55,99 m 10,66 ft / 3,25 m
Upper: 3,94" / 100 mm 341,21 ft / 104,00 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,97" / 50 mm 341,21 ft / 104,00 m 24,80 ft / 7,56 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13,8" / 350 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 11,8" / 300 mm
2nd: 13,8" / 350 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 11,8" / 300 mm
3rd: 6,69" / 170 mm 1,97" / 50 mm 5,91" / 150 mm
4th: 0,98" / 25 mm 0,98" / 25 mm -

- Armour deck: 2,76" / 70 mm, Conning tower: 11,81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 26 971 shp / 20 121 Kw = 21,00 kts
Range 3 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 196 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
801 - 1 042

Cost:
£2,853 million / $11,411 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 181 tons, 6,3 %
Armour: 7 228 tons, 38,5 %
- Belts: 2 912 tons, 15,5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 616 tons, 3,3 %
- Armament: 1 970 tons, 10,5 %
- Armour Deck: 1 550 tons, 8,3 %
- Conning Tower: 180 tons, 1,0 %
Machinery: 1 105 tons, 5,9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7 541 tons, 40,1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 729 tons, 9,2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
24 810 lbs / 11 253 Kg = 28,7 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 4,6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,05
Metacentric height 3,8 ft / 1,2 m
Roll period: 16,9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,78
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,22

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,606
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,67 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22,91 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 41
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25,20 ft / 7,68 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16,04 ft / 4,89 m
- Mid (50 %): 16,04 ft / 4,89 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16,04 ft / 4,89 m
- Stern: 16,04 ft / 4,89 m
- Average freeboard: 16,78 ft / 5,11 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90,6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116,0 %
Waterplane Area: 30 400 Square feet or 2 824 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 175 lbs/sq ft or 855 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,96
- Longitudinal: 1,56
- Overall: 1,01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Hugin (modified clas-class)

Swedish Light cruser laid down 1916 completed 1919

Displacement:
3 747 t light; 3 910 t standard; 4 130 t normal; 4 307 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
426,51 ft / 426,51 ft x 41,99 ft x 19,69 ft (normal load)
130,00 m / 130,00 m x 12,80 m x 6,00 m

Armament:
8 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns (4x2 guns), 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1916 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
6 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm guns (4 mounts), 12,87lbs / 5,84kg shells, 1916 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 934 lbs / 424 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
4 - 21,0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes, 2 - 21,0" / 533 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2,95" / 75 mm 277,23 ft / 84,50 m 7,78 ft / 2,37 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3,94" / 100 mm 1,97" / 50 mm 1,97" / 50 mm

- Armour deck: 0,98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 2,95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 33 739 shp / 25 169 Kw = 28,50 kts
Range 3 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 397 tons (50% coal)

Complement:
256 - 334

Cost:
£0,676 million / $2,704 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 117 tons, 2,8 %
Armour: 572 tons, 13,8 %
- Belts: 263 tons, 6,4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Armament: 90 tons, 2,2 %
- Armour Deck: 202 tons, 4,9 %
- Conning Tower: 16 tons, 0,4 %
Machinery: 1 314 tons, 31,8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 695 tons, 41,0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 383 tons, 9,3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 1,2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2 504 lbs / 1 136 Kg = 23,4 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 0,6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,02
Metacentric height 1,4 ft / 0,4 m
Roll period: 14,9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,94
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,16

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,410
Length to Beam Ratio: 10,16 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20,65 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22,70 ft / 6,92 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 14,47 ft / 4,41 m
- Mid (50 %): 14,47 ft / 4,41 m
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 14,47 ft / 4,41 m
- Stern: 14,47 ft / 4,41 m
- Average freeboard: 14,96 ft / 4,56 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 132,4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 101,1 %
Waterplane Area: 11 092 Square feet or 1 030 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 82 lbs/sq ft or 400 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,92
- Longitudinal: 2,08
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

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