Låter nästan otroligt! Under hur många uppdrag?spett skrev:Natten till den 22 februari 1945 använde H.W.Schnaufer sin Schräge Musik för att skjuta ned sju Lancasters.
En undersökning långt senare har reviderat antalet segrar från sju till åtta.
kanske tilldelas postumt?Nja, nej, Gunship - då skulle nog någon tysk tekniker fått minst ett Nobelpris en sådär 45-46. Ett massproducerat tändrör som på bråkdelar av en sekund kunde känna av om det var hydralledningarna eller bomberna i flygplanet de träffade - det finns inte ens idag.
dock så tänkte jag på Mk108, inte Mk103 kanonen.The incendiary rounds were also often fitted with a hydrostatic fuse, which detonated when it came in contact with liquid. This was to ensure that the round did not merely explode on the target aircraft's skin, which would cause little damage, but instead penetrated and exploded when it came into contact with fuel or coolant inside the fuel tanks or radiators respectively.
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Jag vågar lova att den informationen inte stämmer.gunship skrev:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MK108
dock så tänkte jag på Mk108, inte Mk103 kanonen.The incendiary rounds were also often fitted with a hydrostatic fuse, which detonated when it came in contact with liquid. This was to ensure that the round did not merely explode on the target aircraft's skin, which would cause little damage, but instead penetrated and exploded when it came into contact with fuel or coolant inside the fuel tanks or radiators respectively.
Vilket jag ändå tycker tyder på att han menar, att ett dylikt tändrör finns?Tony Williams skrev:The HEIT was the Ausf.C M-Geschoss, which used a different type of construction. It was more streamlined, and had a hollow base with room for the tracer (the Ausf.A having a round base). These changes reduced the HE capacity from 85 to 72g.
The hydrostatic fuze was not used with this projectile. In fact, I'm not sure that it was used at all in the MK 108, as it was a very late-war development. The only mention I have seen is in conjunction with a thick-walled, heavy M-Geschoss weighing 440g, which would be consistent with its use in the 20mm 104g Minenbrandgeschoss. Muzzle velocity was 450 m/s, but I don't know if it reached service.
Trots gemensam 30mm's kaliber var dessa oerhört olika kanoner, Mk 101/103 kan man kalla "30 mm Magnum" i jämförelse. Mk 108 hade ballistik a la haubits, 103:an var ett långskjutande flackbanevapen som t.o.m. användes som pansarvapen i stridsfordon och kanske bäst känd som pansarslaktaren i Henschel 129. En kort jämförelse:dock så tänkte jag på Mk108, inte Mk103 kanonen
Anger Tony Williams någon mer information om tändröret?MoparMadness skrev:Citerar Tony Williams från ett annat forum;
Vilket jag ändå tycker tyder på att han menar, att ett dylikt tändrör finns?Tony Williams skrev:The HEIT was the Ausf.C M-Geschoss, which used a different type of construction. It was more streamlined, and had a hollow base with room for the tracer (the Ausf.A having a round base). These changes reduced the HE capacity from 85 to 72g.
The hydrostatic fuze was not used with this projectile. In fact, I'm not sure that it was used at all in the MK 108, as it was a very late-war development. The only mention I have seen is in conjunction with a thick-walled, heavy M-Geschoss weighing 440g, which would be consistent with its use in the 20mm 104g Minenbrandgeschoss. Muzzle velocity was 450 m/s, but I don't know if it reached service.
mjo, jag visste att de var olika, dock så skrev jag fel.Trots gemensam 30mm's kaliber var dessa oerhört olika kanoner, Mk 101/103 kan man kalla "30 mm Magnum" i jämförelse. Mk 108 hade ballistik a la haubits, 103:an var ett långskjutande flackbanevapen som t.o.m. användes som pansarvapen i stridsfordon och kanske bäst känd som pansarslaktaren i Henschel 129. En kort jämförelse:
Han utvecklar inte saken närmare just där iaf.Olof Larsson skrev:Anger Tony Williams någon mer information om tändröret?
(sant). My name is Martin, and me and some others have gotten into a rather puzzling discussion, following me quoting Wikipedia about the Mk 108 cannon used by the Luftwaffe during the second world war.
Wikipedia claims that "The incendiary rounds [of the MK108 cannon] were also often fitted with a hydrostatic fuse, which detonated when it came in contact with liquid. This was to ensure that the round did not merely explode on the target aircraft's skin, which would cause little damage, but instead penetrated and exploded when it came into contact with fuel or coolant inside the fuel tanks or radiators respectively."
However some more knowlageble people pointed out that such fuses would be a rather high-tech thing even today, not to mention in 1944! furthermore i couldn't find the source of the statement, but i searched around and saw a quote where you mentioned the hydrostatic fuse, and doubted its use. since you seem ver well versed in the history of cartridges, i wonder if have any more interesting facts about ammunition with such a fuse used by or developed for the Luftwaffe during WWII.
the only other lead i have on the fuse is its supposed designation, AZ 9501.
please, if you do have something to share, i would be ovejoyed if you could shed some light on this matter.
best regards Martin.
