Brittiska AVK-flygplan funna i Ukraina

[Mackan L]

I skuggan av det nuvarande kriget i Ukraina har ukrainarna hittat militärt bistånd från Storbritannien från det andra världskriget utanför Kiev.

Ukraine finds British WW2 Hurricane planes outside Kyiv
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65955365 (2-7-2023)

The rusting remains of eight British Hurricane fighter planes dating back to World War Two have been found buried in a forest in Ukraine.

The aircraft were sent to the Soviet Union by Britain after Nazi Germany invaded the country in 1941.

They were part of a package of allied military support for the USSR, paid for by the United States under the so-called Lend-Lease scheme.

Similar legislation is being used by the US government today to send military aid to Ukraine as it seeks to expel Russian forces from its country.

Aviation experts say this is the first time the remains of so many Hurricanes have been found in Ukraine.

"It is very rare to find this aircraft in Ukraine," says Oleks Shtan, a former airline pilot who is leading the excavation. "It's very important for our aviation history because no Lend-Lease aircraft have been found here before."
One of the Lend-Lease Hurricanes

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The remains were discovered recently after an unexploded bomb dating from the war was found nearby. The rest of the ravine was checked using metal detectors and the Hurricanes were found.

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[StefanZ]

Jätteudda. 8 tillsammans? Buried? Råkade de bli sönderbombade på ett flygfält, dragna åt sidan, och med tiden blev de övertäckta med sand och överväxta? Eller är det något försök att dölja ATT sovjet fick militärmateriel hjälp?

När fronten väl kom fram till Ukraina, var ju den värsta krisen över, nu var ryssarna på väg västerut...

Och planen började dels bli föråldrade, och dels fick väl ryssarna igång sin egen produktion.

[Hans]

According to historians, some of these aircraft were deliberately broken up and buried after the war so the Soviets did not have to pay back the US, as under lend-lease legislation Moscow was required to pay for any donated military equipment that remained intact.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... in-ukraine

Verkar mest vara riktigt skrot men mer riktigt än Spitfires begravda i Burma.

MVH

Hans

[sonderling]

Ja så vitt jag kunde läsa mig till så förstördes de med flit för att de skulle slippa betala för dem. Vilket får mig att undra om man betalade för den material man fortfarande använde efter 45? Eller var det så att man, hade så mycket udda material att man mer renodlade det man fått eller leasat. Ja nyheten var intressant tyckte jag eftersom jag undrat vad som h'ände med allt lend lease efter VK2.

Hurricane planen ser rätt så röttna ut på bilderna.

Sonderling

PS stötte på den här nyheten igår när jag letade info efter de där skeletten som kom i dagen efter att dammen förstörts.

[Bjernevik]

Även britterna gjorde sig av med amerikansk lend-leasemateriel på motsvarande sätt efter krigsslutet, just för att undvika att behöva betala för dem. Brittiska hangarfartyg dumpade t ex amerikanska flygplan i Stilla havet osv.

[sveahk]

Även britterna gjorde sig av med amerikansk lend-leasemateriel på motsvarande sätt efter krigsslutet, just för att undvika att behöva betala för dem. Brittiska hangarfartyg dumpade t ex amerikanska flygplan i Stilla havet osv.

"After spending Christmas in Australia preparation began for the ship to undertake a most unusual task, the dumping of surplus aircraft at sea. As the BPF began to reduce in size many naval air squadrons were being disbanded and their aircraft remained in Australia; these were eventually delivered to Royal Naval Air Station Bankstown in Sydney for disposal. The American aircraft were supplied under the ‘Lend-Lease agreement’ between the UK and the US; these aircraft and their support equipment were on loan and once the war was over, they were to be either returned or paid for – any destroyed in combat were written off. In reality the US did not want them back and the British had no use for the majority of them so the solution was to destroy them. Approximately 720 aircraft faced this fate. Some of the planes, only recently uncrated and assembled, have never - been flown in Australia.

Three hundred were to be dumped into the sea off Sydney Heads during the second half of January 1946. PIONEER loaded her first consignment of 70 airframes at Pyrmont on January 17th, the aircraft were transported on trailers from Bankstown through the streets of Sydney to Pyrmont and then hoisted on board. She put to sea the following day and the planes were pushed over the bow in deep water about 20 miles off the coast.

On the 23rd she sailed for Brisbane where she loaded a further 70 aircraft at Brett’s Wharf, Hamilton for dumping on the 26th. These aircraft came from the Royal Naval Aircraft Repair Yard at Archerfield and were also delivered to the ship on specialist trailers or were towed on their own wheels. This consignment included a number of British Fairey Barracuda Torpedo Bombers, a type that was being withdrawn from service."
https://www.royalnavyresearcharchive.or ... IONEER.htm

NO. 14 WHARF PYRMONT, NSW. SOME OF SIXTY ROYAL NAVY BARRACUDA AND AVENGER AIRCRAFT (PART OF LOT TOTALLING 720 AND VALUED AT FIFTEEN MILLION POUNDS) THAT WERE TO BE DUMPED FROM HMS PIONEER, A ROYAL NAVY REPAIR CRAFT, INTO THE OCEAN OFF NSW. THE ONLY EQUIPMENT REMOVED PRIOR TO DUMPING WERE COMPASSES, CLOCKS AND OTHER INSTRUMENTS. UNDER THE LEND LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE UNITED STATES, ANY MATERIAL BRANDED "USELESS" WAS TO BE DESTROYED. (PHOTOGRAPHER L. CPL E. MCQUILLAN) https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C204441

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[Hans]

Intressant, tack.

Krigsförbrytare, efter kriget.

MVH

Hans

[StefanZ]

Även britterna gjorde sig av med amerikansk lend-leasemateriel på motsvarande sätt efter krigsslutet, just för att undvika att behöva betala för dem. Brittiska hangarfartyg dumpade t ex amerikanska flygplan i Stilla havet osv.

Och jag antar att allt detta skedde med jänkarnas tysta godkännande. Vad skulle DE göra med massvis av återlämnad begagnad krigsmateriel? De hade inte alltid lust att greja med återvinning. Nu när kriget var över och kapaciteten drogs ner.
De själva har ju jättelika vapen"kyrkogårdar" i öknen, och även de själva har dumpat...

Vad de ville undvika är att grejorna fortsatte att användas utan att man betalade för användning och pekade hånfullt lång näsa åt USA.