KBS I19 tidigt 80-tal
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KBS I19 tidigt 80-tal
Tyvärr inte helt rättvist att ställa frågan här, men jag vet inte vart jag ska vända mig.
Om jag läser följande i en person berättelse om sig själv, vad ska man tro:
I was assigned to the Company Commander School’s Rifle/Athletics section at the artic infantry regiment Norrbottens regemente where I completed my 15 months military service officers training 1984. I was assigned a war position as commander of an artic skiing platoon.
Senare har följande lagts till:
In 1984, I completed 12 months of military service at the Company Commander School, Rifle/Athletics section, at the artic light infantry regiment Norrbottens regemente and 3 months of military academy in Umeå. I was assigned a war position as commander of an artic skiing platoon located above the artic circle. My grades were mixed: The remark I got was that I only do what interests me, that I am lazy and not very disciplined. On the positive sides were my ability to lead troops in battle and being a strong solider. I won the regimental shooting championship, become no 3 in the lifeguard company's 20 km run in full battle uniform including a rifle, and my team placed 5th in the regimental battle field and endurance test. The picture of me still hangs at the honor board at the lifeguard, I19/P5. I am mentioning this because though I have decided to change my sex to a woman, I am tougher than most men. What I am fighting in life is a severe form of laziness as I simply can’t do things that I am required to or is paid for if it isn’t fun or challenging.
Det försvinner rätt snart. För tillfället så kan man läsa följande:
I had the option of serving in Finland or Sweden! I choose Sweden at a location near my Finnish relatives. That is, way north and east, --- Boden --. I completed 12 months of military service at the Company Commander School at the arctic light infantry regiment Norrbottens regemente and 3 months of officers academy for conscripts in Umeå. I was assigned a war position as commander of a light infantry skiing platoon located somewhere above the arctic circle. After graduation, I participated in semi annual excercies for commanders(SOB), repeated war unit excerices (KFO) and promotional courses at FBU towards war position as a company commander (Lojtnant to Kapten). The regimental song is the Finnish light cavalry march wich felt just right to make me fight. My military services was surely the funniest and coolest thing I ever done in my life and I don't understand why other peps are complaining about doing it. The guys around were great, very fit and yummy (ops-- I was a gay in hidings)! You even get free food, clothes and paid camping in the most beautiful nature there is -- maybe I am nut. Most minded that there were no girls around except for female reindeers. That I did not mind either 'case of all the cute boyz around not being distracted by girls! Now, as I heard, there are girls in the army, but since those are butch lesbians, I am still ok having all the boyz all for myself -- btw, I am out of there now.
Arctic light infantry skiing platoon
Skis and snow slides were used during combat and as the main mean of transport. BV206 were used for very long ranged and rapid maneuvers as far as near the arctic region. The sarcastic name “Vita blixten”, which translates to white flash, was used to mean those very old fashioned skies. The formation, which is a result of using BV206 as transport, did not provide us with much maneuverability in case we were fired upon since the platoon commander also had to act as a squad (tropp) leader. Equipments: two KSP58, two GRG48, platoon radio, one short range radio for the platoon leader and another for his deputy, two BV206, explosives (trotyl, dynamites, fuses), mines, tents, snow slides, 7,62 amo, anti-tank projectiles, smook projectiles, two light postols, handgrenades, axes, spades,medical equipment,four snow showels, lots, lots....
Det känns som det finns grejer som inte riktigt stämmer.
Om jag läser följande i en person berättelse om sig själv, vad ska man tro:
I was assigned to the Company Commander School’s Rifle/Athletics section at the artic infantry regiment Norrbottens regemente where I completed my 15 months military service officers training 1984. I was assigned a war position as commander of an artic skiing platoon.
Senare har följande lagts till:
In 1984, I completed 12 months of military service at the Company Commander School, Rifle/Athletics section, at the artic light infantry regiment Norrbottens regemente and 3 months of military academy in Umeå. I was assigned a war position as commander of an artic skiing platoon located above the artic circle. My grades were mixed: The remark I got was that I only do what interests me, that I am lazy and not very disciplined. On the positive sides were my ability to lead troops in battle and being a strong solider. I won the regimental shooting championship, become no 3 in the lifeguard company's 20 km run in full battle uniform including a rifle, and my team placed 5th in the regimental battle field and endurance test. The picture of me still hangs at the honor board at the lifeguard, I19/P5. I am mentioning this because though I have decided to change my sex to a woman, I am tougher than most men. What I am fighting in life is a severe form of laziness as I simply can’t do things that I am required to or is paid for if it isn’t fun or challenging.
Det försvinner rätt snart. För tillfället så kan man läsa följande:
I had the option of serving in Finland or Sweden! I choose Sweden at a location near my Finnish relatives. That is, way north and east, --- Boden --. I completed 12 months of military service at the Company Commander School at the arctic light infantry regiment Norrbottens regemente and 3 months of officers academy for conscripts in Umeå. I was assigned a war position as commander of a light infantry skiing platoon located somewhere above the arctic circle. After graduation, I participated in semi annual excercies for commanders(SOB), repeated war unit excerices (KFO) and promotional courses at FBU towards war position as a company commander (Lojtnant to Kapten). The regimental song is the Finnish light cavalry march wich felt just right to make me fight. My military services was surely the funniest and coolest thing I ever done in my life and I don't understand why other peps are complaining about doing it. The guys around were great, very fit and yummy (ops-- I was a gay in hidings)! You even get free food, clothes and paid camping in the most beautiful nature there is -- maybe I am nut. Most minded that there were no girls around except for female reindeers. That I did not mind either 'case of all the cute boyz around not being distracted by girls! Now, as I heard, there are girls in the army, but since those are butch lesbians, I am still ok having all the boyz all for myself -- btw, I am out of there now.
Arctic light infantry skiing platoon
Skis and snow slides were used during combat and as the main mean of transport. BV206 were used for very long ranged and rapid maneuvers as far as near the arctic region. The sarcastic name “Vita blixten”, which translates to white flash, was used to mean those very old fashioned skies. The formation, which is a result of using BV206 as transport, did not provide us with much maneuverability in case we were fired upon since the platoon commander also had to act as a squad (tropp) leader. Equipments: two KSP58, two GRG48, platoon radio, one short range radio for the platoon leader and another for his deputy, two BV206, explosives (trotyl, dynamites, fuses), mines, tents, snow slides, 7,62 amo, anti-tank projectiles, smook projectiles, two light postols, handgrenades, axes, spades,medical equipment,four snow showels, lots, lots....
Det känns som det finns grejer som inte riktigt stämmer.
Re: KBS I19 tidigt 80-tal
Var hittade du det?
Re: KBS I19 tidigt 80-tal
Sannerligen... För att göra finsk militärtjänst krävs finskt medborgerskap, det har iofs många finskättade i Sverige.
Använder ni er av "Finska rytteriets marsch" over there?
Frågar också, varifrån kommer detta?
Använder ni er av "Finska rytteriets marsch" over there?
Frågar också, varifrån kommer detta?
Re: KBS I19 tidigt 80-tal
Norrbottens regemente tycks använda...
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finska_Ryt ... iga_kriget
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finska_Ryt ... iga_kriget
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Re: KBS I19 tidigt 80-tal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Malin_Tokyo
Personen i fråga har gjort sig ökänd på soldf forumet, samt genom att vara själutnämnt ansvarig för Wiki sidorna om Försvarsmakten. Jag gör mitt bästa att hänga med i smällarna, men det är lite svårt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_r ... med_forces
Ser Ok just nu, men snart lär det bli annorlunda. Följ den oerhört spännande diskussionen här:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Milit ... med_forces
Sen har vi den här gyllene situationen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Armed_Forces
Finns väl en eller annan sak som stämmer, men ack ack ack,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Swedish_Armed_Forces
Hade faktiskt inte forskat så mycket, men så reagerade jag på en del kommentarer, som;
"I am a former conscript officer with several KFO and SOB behind. During the 1970s and 1980s Sweden was able to mobilize 30 brigades in one week’s time as those units were fully staffed and refreshed during reoccurring KFO. I was part of the core of the Swedish conscript army and basically knew every screw in a Swedish arctic brigade. Brigade and battalion commanders were mostly commissioned officers (Regementsofficerare) amd company and platoon commanders reseve and conscript officers. Those classes of officers were trained solely to command troops and were selected based on their high aptitude in problem solving, IQ, leadership, educational background, etc. Would you not meet those requirements, you may not become VO, RO or Commissioned Officer. However, to become a YO (YrkesOfficeare = NCOs + soldiers) all those requirements were waived as the primary role of a YO was to drill recruits and/or act as private soldiers, team-leaders during international missions. As an example, all the private soldiers in the force sent to Kongo were YOs. To summarize your quite funny claim: -- 20,000 commissioned officers to command 90 very young NCOs and 500 troops -- . Allright, you removed the references that verifies those numbers. The vacancies in the royal guard were filled by temporary short-term contractors and the soldiers of the NBG were also short-term contractors who served some moths. Those were by no means employed. Everyone who wears military uniform and is employed is called officer in Sweden. A Swedish officer may serve as private soldier, administrative assistant or drill sergeant. Two to three "officers" command a company -- thats all."
Nog för att jag tillhör dom som tycker KBS med KadS kunde vara bra att ha (jag var en själv), men det där är ju så bisarrt att det bra inte finns.
Personen i fråga har gjort sig ökänd på soldf forumet, samt genom att vara själutnämnt ansvarig för Wiki sidorna om Försvarsmakten. Jag gör mitt bästa att hänga med i smällarna, men det är lite svårt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_r ... med_forces
Ser Ok just nu, men snart lär det bli annorlunda. Följ den oerhört spännande diskussionen här:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Milit ... med_forces
Sen har vi den här gyllene situationen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Armed_Forces
Finns väl en eller annan sak som stämmer, men ack ack ack,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Swedish_Armed_Forces
Hade faktiskt inte forskat så mycket, men så reagerade jag på en del kommentarer, som;
"I am a former conscript officer with several KFO and SOB behind. During the 1970s and 1980s Sweden was able to mobilize 30 brigades in one week’s time as those units were fully staffed and refreshed during reoccurring KFO. I was part of the core of the Swedish conscript army and basically knew every screw in a Swedish arctic brigade. Brigade and battalion commanders were mostly commissioned officers (Regementsofficerare) amd company and platoon commanders reseve and conscript officers. Those classes of officers were trained solely to command troops and were selected based on their high aptitude in problem solving, IQ, leadership, educational background, etc. Would you not meet those requirements, you may not become VO, RO or Commissioned Officer. However, to become a YO (YrkesOfficeare = NCOs + soldiers) all those requirements were waived as the primary role of a YO was to drill recruits and/or act as private soldiers, team-leaders during international missions. As an example, all the private soldiers in the force sent to Kongo were YOs. To summarize your quite funny claim: -- 20,000 commissioned officers to command 90 very young NCOs and 500 troops -- . Allright, you removed the references that verifies those numbers. The vacancies in the royal guard were filled by temporary short-term contractors and the soldiers of the NBG were also short-term contractors who served some moths. Those were by no means employed. Everyone who wears military uniform and is employed is called officer in Sweden. A Swedish officer may serve as private soldier, administrative assistant or drill sergeant. Two to three "officers" command a company -- thats all."
Nog för att jag tillhör dom som tycker KBS med KadS kunde vara bra att ha (jag var en själv), men det där är ju så bisarrt att det bra inte finns.
Re: KBS I19 tidigt 80-tal
Stämmer men texten är annorlunda än den i sångboken jag har från I 19.Schwemppa skrev:Norrbottens regemente tycks använda...
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finska_Ryt ... iga_kriget
Re: KBS I19 tidigt 80-tal
Verkar som han har något för stor tilltro till sig själv.
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Re: KBS I19 tidigt 80-tal
Min slutsats har varit skvatt galen sen ett tag tillbaka.
Re: KBS I19 tidigt 80-tal
Mytoman-varning...
Re: KBS I19 tidigt 80-tal
Jag känner inte heller igen den textvarianten från min tid där i mitten av nittiotalet. Det var något mer i stil med att "vi lyssnade till konungens budkavel" och drog ut i kriget.MD650 skrev:Stämmer men texten är annorlunda än den i sångboken jag har från I 19.Schwemppa skrev:Norrbottens regemente tycks använda...
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finska_Ryt ... iga_kriget
Re: KBS I19 tidigt 80-tal
"Från hembygd i nord mellan älvar och fjäll
vi drogo i lydnad för kungens apell"
vi drogo i lydnad för kungens apell"
Re: KBS I19 tidigt 80-tal
Just det ja! Sedan något med att "när budkaveln gick..".MD650 skrev:"Från hembygd i nord mellan älvar och fjäll
vi drogo i lydnad för kungens apell"
Det sattes upp en regementskör då som sjöng denna vid t.ex. regementets dag minns jag.
Re: KBS I19 tidigt 80-tal
Kunde en värnpliktig fänrik bara via FBU bli kapten?I participated in semi annual excercies for commanders(SOB), repeated war unit excerices (KFO) and promotional courses at FBU towards war position as a company commander (Lojtnant to Kapten).
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Vet ej vad gäller norrlandsinfanteriet, men inom tolkeriet (språk-, ej cykel/skid-...) gick det i alla fall att gå från muckgraden sergeant till kapten via FBU-kurserna på Källviken.Hans skrev:Kunde en värnpliktig fänrik bara via FBU bli kapten?I participated in semi annual excercies for commanders(SOB), repeated war unit excerices (KFO) and promotional courses at FBU towards war position as a company commander (Lojtnant to Kapten).
MVH
Hans
Re: KBS I19 tidigt 80-tal
Som jag förstått det så: ja. Det var den enda vägen en värnpliktig fänrik kunde bli kapten (sen finns det säkert diverse enskilda spännande undantag). Min personliga uppfattning så här i efterhand (jag var ju inte med på den tiden) är att det minsann inte var "så bara" att bli VO/Kn via FBU. Oavsett var man startade i karriärstegen så skulle man inför och efter varje steg vara lämplig för befordran för att komma vidare, det skulle dessutom finnas en ledig befattning att tillträda och slutligen så skulle varje utbildningsskede avslutas med KFÖ/motsvarande. Så det var inte bara att gå ett gäng FBU-kurser och kvittera ut nya kragspeglar efter hand.Hans skrev:Kunde en värnpliktig fänrik bara via FBU bli kapten?I participated in semi annual excercies for commanders(SOB), repeated war unit excerices (KFO) and promotional courses at FBU towards war position as a company commander (Lojtnant to Kapten).
MVH
Hans
För att kort kommentera "Finska rytteriets marsch" så den t ex i Tyskland mer känd som "Schwedische reitermarsch" än som "Marsch der Finnländischen Reiterei". En googling gav ca 33000 träffar på den förra mot ca 1340 på den senare.
EDIT 1: tillägg av ett "är" i näst sista meningen.
EDIT 2: För att kommentera det som tråden egentligen startade med; inledningsvis: Malin har fel, därefter: Malin har fel och slutligen: Malin har fel!
Vill man vara snäll så skulle man kanske kunna påstå att det föreligger en serie missförstånd, kopplade i serie.
En del av felen tycks härstamma från alltför bokstavstrogna översättningar av sammansatta ord, som t ex "kompanichef" och sedan tycks Malin ha översatt tillbaka sin egen översättning med en annan betydelse för att sedan göra sig nya missförstånd på sin egen "fram-och-tillbaka"-översättning.
Jag lägger mig inte i själva debatten på wikipedia men jag har några små synpunkter på själva översättningarna till engelska, som citerats tidigare i tråden.
"Company Commander School": man bör nog skilja på kompanibefäl och kompanichef. Som jag begripit det hela så används ordet "commander" om kompanichef och högre medan plutonchef och lägre benämns "leader".
"MIlitary academy": då underförstås det nog att man inte pratar om 3 månaders KadS.
"Lifeguard, I19/P5": om man pratar om "Life guard" i militära sammanhang så menar man troligen ett Livgardesförband och inte ett livkompani inom ett regemente. Framför allt inte om man menar den mer moderna betydelsen av ett livkompani som ett utbildningskompani för KB/PB.
"Arctic light infantry skiing platoon": För det första så torde det vara mer korrekt att översätta "norrlands-" med "sub-artic". "Artic" innebär nämligen just "artisk" och riktigt så tråkigt väder är det nog inte ens i Boden, iallafall inte generellt sett.
För det andra så är "light infantry" en tolkningsfråga. Just "light" syftar till avsaknad av tunga vapen och hur man definierar det är väl lite diffust. Men om man menar en normal norrlandsskyttepluton så ska jag be att få anmäla avvikande mening.
För det tredje så finns det ingen anledning att betona skidorna genom att lägga till "skiing", såvitt man inte menar ett förband i stil med "arméns skidlöparbataljon", vilken 1945 blev arméns jägarskola och 1975 Lapplands jägarregemente. Skidorna har inget självändamål i sammanhanget.
Vaddå "part of the core" ? Lite realism tack. KB var faktiskt inte svaret på guds böner. "Basically knew every screw"? Det finns det väl ingen som gör? Inte ens den mest erfarne officer i teknisk tjänst har rimligtvis koll på alla i brigaden ingående vapensystem.I was part of the core of the Swedish conscript army and basically knew every screw in a Swedish arctic brigade.
För h-vete! Släpp sargen och börja spela hockey! En YO hade/har två parallella roller; dels som fredsplutonchef och dels som krigskompanichef. Den här översättningen antyder dessutom att det skulle finnas en skillnad mellan "commissioned officer" och RO respektive YO. I den mån man i det svenska systemet kan definiera en "commissioned officer" så är det väl skillnaden mellan "officer" och "underofficer" (numera även "specialistofficer"). Själva ordet "waive" betyder ju faktiskt "avstå från, bortse från, lägga åt sidan"Those classes of officers were trained solely to command troops and were selected based on their high aptitude in problem solving, IQ, leadership, educational background, etc. Would you not meet those requirements, you may not become VO, RO or Commissioned Officer. However, to become a YO (YrkesOfficeare = NCOs + soldiers) all those requirements were waived as the primary role of a YO was to drill recruits and/or act as private soldiers, team-leaders during international missions.
Nej, nej, neeeej! En officer är en officer, punkt slut, that´s it! Visst kan en officer tjänstgöra i en befattning som normalt skulle ge en lägre grad än den han/hon redan har, men det innebär inte att alla som är anställda är officerare.Everyone who wears military uniform and is employed is called officer in Sweden. A Swedish officer may serve as private soldier, administrative assistant or drill sergeant.
Jösses Amalia.