Quiz: Revolutionernas & Imperialismens tid
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En målning av några utmattade - - når en fjärran hamn efter svår seglats.
Vilka är männen och vilken var hamnen?, Varjag
En målning av några utmattade - - når en fjärran hamn efter svår seglats.
Vilka är männen och vilken var hamnen?, Varjag
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Kapten Bleigh (reservation for hur det stavas) anländer till hollänska östindien (dagens Indonesien) efter en synnerligen besvärlig seglats i ett alldeles för litet fartyg efter det berömda myteriet på Bounty.
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Alldeles rätt. Löjtnant William Bligh FC på HMS BOUNTY-anländer Timor, Holländska Ostindien efter en resa i öppen båtSensemaker skrev:Kapten Bleigh (reservation for hur det stavas) anländer till hollänska östindien (dagens Indonesien) efter en synnerligen besvärlig seglats i ett alldeles för litet fartyg efter det berömda myteriet på Bounty.
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om 6700 kilometer över Stilla Havet.
Utan att förlora en enda man!
Filmens värld, har framställt Bligh som en våldsam befälhavare med ''cat-o-nine tails'' i ständig beredskap.Helt fel.
Han var en 1st-klassig sjöman, bevisat - enbart av att han gavs befälet över BOUNTY på en lång och svår resa.
Avancerade till Amiral och Guvernör över New South Wales.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bligh
Du paddlar vidare, Varjag
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Här är cracked.com lysande beskrivning av Bligh i en artikel om "6 historical villains who were actually OK guys".
http://www.cracked.com/article_17205_6- ... -guys.html
"You Know Him As:
If you've read Mutiny on the Bounty, or seen one of the several movie adaptations (including the 1984 version featuring Mel Gibson, Anthony Hopkins and lots of titties) then you know Bligh as the evil, shitty captain they were mutinying against.
Bligh was a classist bully who did typical evil captain stuff like work his crew half to death on a scant ration of rancid food. If any of them stepped out of line, by voicing dissatisfaction or passing out from exhaustion or what have you, he would have them flogged within an inch of their life. Also, he looked like a giant warthog who'd just fallen down a few flights of stairs.
Eventually Bligh's handsome and dashing first mate (the Mel Gibson character) had had enough and led a mutiny against him, leaving him adrift in the ocean to die, which is OK because it turns out he didn't. Hooray for the common man!
But in Reality:
Bligh certainly wasn't loveable; he was known to constantly subject his men to a torrent of hurtful, hurtful words. But that's about as mean as he got.
Far from wearing his men to nothing, records show that Bligh was almost obsessive about building them up into godlike paragons of health and vigor. To that end he provided them with a strict exercise regimen which, OK, would've blown. But also he made sure they had a highly nutritious diet, and organized their shifts so that they got plenty of rest. Sure, there were floggings--pretty much the first rule the British navy gave their captains was "if your crew so much as sneezes, flog the living shit out of them"--but it's all about context. Bligh was considerably less flog-happy than his peers, preferring to give his men a stern talking-to and send them off to think about what they'd done.
So why did such a well-fed, well-rested, relatively unflogged crew go apeshit? There are two schools of thought:
1. Despite Bligh's efforts, life aboard the Bounty was still pretty miserable. The ship had been officially classed as a cutter, giving it a small crew and limited supplies, meaning that the men were still overworked and underfed and the whole "godlike paragon" plan was fucked. This wasn't anything to do with Bligh, of course, but when you're generally pissed off about everything and the nearest authority figure keeps shouting at you and has a face like a squashed cabbage, it's human nature to decide it's all his fault and toss the bastard to the sharks.
2. The second version is a lot simpler. The crew had just spent several weeks of leave on Tahiti, lazing in the sun, getting wasted and screwing licentious young natives. Faced with another few months of scrubbing decks and eating hard tack, they simply said "Fuck this shit," dumped Bligh and his cohorts overboard, and went steaming back for more sweet Tahitian booty.
At this point, in what is frequently regarded as the most brilliant piece of seamanship in history, Bligh navigated the crappy raft they set him adrift on nearly 4,000 miles back to civilization, battling illness, hunger and at one point even hostile natives. Considering he went through all this, and later was also innocently involved in the Spithead Mutiny and the Rum Rebellion, only to wind up being remembered as the bad guy, Bligh would also be at home on a list of People the Universe Just Plain Hated."
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http://www.cracked.com/article_17205_6- ... -guys.html
"You Know Him As:
If you've read Mutiny on the Bounty, or seen one of the several movie adaptations (including the 1984 version featuring Mel Gibson, Anthony Hopkins and lots of titties) then you know Bligh as the evil, shitty captain they were mutinying against.
Bligh was a classist bully who did typical evil captain stuff like work his crew half to death on a scant ration of rancid food. If any of them stepped out of line, by voicing dissatisfaction or passing out from exhaustion or what have you, he would have them flogged within an inch of their life. Also, he looked like a giant warthog who'd just fallen down a few flights of stairs.
Eventually Bligh's handsome and dashing first mate (the Mel Gibson character) had had enough and led a mutiny against him, leaving him adrift in the ocean to die, which is OK because it turns out he didn't. Hooray for the common man!
But in Reality:
Bligh certainly wasn't loveable; he was known to constantly subject his men to a torrent of hurtful, hurtful words. But that's about as mean as he got.
Far from wearing his men to nothing, records show that Bligh was almost obsessive about building them up into godlike paragons of health and vigor. To that end he provided them with a strict exercise regimen which, OK, would've blown. But also he made sure they had a highly nutritious diet, and organized their shifts so that they got plenty of rest. Sure, there were floggings--pretty much the first rule the British navy gave their captains was "if your crew so much as sneezes, flog the living shit out of them"--but it's all about context. Bligh was considerably less flog-happy than his peers, preferring to give his men a stern talking-to and send them off to think about what they'd done.
So why did such a well-fed, well-rested, relatively unflogged crew go apeshit? There are two schools of thought:
1. Despite Bligh's efforts, life aboard the Bounty was still pretty miserable. The ship had been officially classed as a cutter, giving it a small crew and limited supplies, meaning that the men were still overworked and underfed and the whole "godlike paragon" plan was fucked. This wasn't anything to do with Bligh, of course, but when you're generally pissed off about everything and the nearest authority figure keeps shouting at you and has a face like a squashed cabbage, it's human nature to decide it's all his fault and toss the bastard to the sharks.
2. The second version is a lot simpler. The crew had just spent several weeks of leave on Tahiti, lazing in the sun, getting wasted and screwing licentious young natives. Faced with another few months of scrubbing decks and eating hard tack, they simply said "Fuck this shit," dumped Bligh and his cohorts overboard, and went steaming back for more sweet Tahitian booty.
At this point, in what is frequently regarded as the most brilliant piece of seamanship in history, Bligh navigated the crappy raft they set him adrift on nearly 4,000 miles back to civilization, battling illness, hunger and at one point even hostile natives. Considering he went through all this, and later was also innocently involved in the Spithead Mutiny and the Rum Rebellion, only to wind up being remembered as the bad guy, Bligh would also be at home on a list of People the Universe Just Plain Hated."
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Relativt enkel fråga igen:
Vem var den här tidens mest inflytelserike sjökrigsteoretiker? Bonuspoäng om du vet ungefär vad han förespråkade.
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Vem var den här tidens mest inflytelserike sjökrigsteoretiker? Bonuspoäng om du vet ungefär vad han förespråkade.
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Röstar för Amiral John ''Jackie'' Fisher.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fish ... ron_Fisher
''Admiral Fisher: Hit first, hit hard, and keep hitting''
One of my favorites is "Hit first, hit hard, and keep hitting". He was a believer in the idea that "A good offense is a good defense". That idea provides part of the rationale for the battlecruiser.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fish ... ron_Fisher
''Admiral Fisher: Hit first, hit hard, and keep hitting''
One of my favorites is "Hit first, hit hard, and keep hitting". He was a believer in the idea that "A good offense is a good defense". That idea provides part of the rationale for the battlecruiser.
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Fischer brukar mig veterligen inte räknas till sjökrigsteoretikerna. Idén bakom slagkryssaren brukar i de böcker jag läst förklaras med endera tanken "stor och stark nog att klå allt som är mindre, snabb nog att fly allt som är större" eller "hastighet är skydd". Det första var väl någorlunda rätt tills (tills de större fartygen fick modernare motorer) men gjorde slagkryssaren överspecialiserad. Det senare visade sig vara fel och det borde Fischer ha insett.
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Julian Corbett? Eller är han för sen? Om det är han så menade han att sjökrigföringen var en del av det större politiska spelet. Han betonade också kommunikationens viktiga roll (som bör vara betydligt lättare idag).
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Alfred Theyer Mahan, som förespråkade en stark flotta för att kontrollera handelsvägarna, och på så sätt säkra ett imperiums rikedom. Det var hans bok som sägs vara en stor orsak till flottkapprustningen som ledde till första vkr urbrott.
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Jepp, Mahans bok gjorde stor framgång. Särskilt Tyskland, men även Japan och USA tillmätte den stor betydelse. Mahan betonade de avgörande slagen och styrkekoncentration. Corbett var smartare och hade en mer balanserad syn med bland annat större blick för sjöfartskrigets möjligheter.
Jag har läst Mahans bok och är inte imponerad. Hans historieskildring är litet sökt och än mer hans slutsatser för senare sjökrig. Från bruket av brännarfartyg vill han dra slutsatser om torpedbåtar till exempel.
Gunship för flaggan vidare.
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Jag har läst Mahans bok och är inte imponerad. Hans historieskildring är litet sökt och än mer hans slutsatser för senare sjökrig. Från bruket av brännarfartyg vill han dra slutsatser om torpedbåtar till exempel.
Gunship för flaggan vidare.
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Säga vad man vill om mahans teorier, men inflytelserika var dem.
Har desverre ingen bra fråga, och "fantastiskt" tyskt intrnet dessutom, så släpper den fri!
Har desverre ingen bra fråga, och "fantastiskt" tyskt intrnet dessutom, så släpper den fri!
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Vilken civil fartygsklass betraktas som kulmen på segelepoken? Den konkurrerade länge framgångsrikt mot ångfartyg.
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Barkskeppen, byggda av stål?Sensemaker skrev:Vilken civil fartygsklass betraktas som kulmen på segelepoken? Den konkurrerade länge framgångsrikt mot ångfartyg.
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Varjag
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Hade jag inte ens hört talas om.varjag skrev:Barkskeppen, byggda av stål?Sensemaker skrev:Vilken civil fartygsklass betraktas som kulmen på segelepoken? Den konkurrerade länge framgångsrikt mot ångfartyg.
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Varjag
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Jag anade det -Hade jag inte ens hört talas om.
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mvh, Varjag