Springsharp projekt

Diskussioner kring militär utrustning och dess utveckling genom tiderna.
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Re: Springsharp projekt

Inläggav Psilander » 06 jan 2012 22:27

Detta är det mer konservativa svaret på jagarbehovet under 2.vk efter de två 105mm Adlercreutz klassen och 152mm Bielke klassen. För den navalt intresserade ser att linjerna kommer från stadsjagarklassen som den mycket riktigt är inspirerad av. Jag ville skapa lite av en "super stadsjagare" denna är generellt starkare än förebilden, men något långsammare.

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von Cardell, Sweden Destroyer laid down 1941

Displacement:
2 058 t light; 2 123 t standard; 2 212 t normal; 2 283 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(337,26 ft / 328,08 ft) x 32,81 ft x (13,12 / 13,46 ft)
(102,80 m / 100,00 m) x 10,00 m x (4,00 / 4,10 m)

Armament:
4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 50,0 cal guns - 55,82lbs / 25,32kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1941 Model
4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 60,0 cal guns - 2,14lbs / 0,97kg shells, 150 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model
6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 249 lbs / 113 kg
Main Torpedoes
8 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m torpedoes - 1,754 t each, 14,032 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes
Main DC/AS Mortars
2 - 231,49 lbs / 105,00 kg Depth Charges + 20 reloads - 2,274 t total
in Depth charge throwers
2nd DC/AS Mortars
2 - 231,49 lbs / 105,00 kg Depth Charges + 20 reloads - 2,274 t total
in Stern depth charge racks

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0,98" / 25 mm 0,39" / 10 mm 0,98" / 25 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 87 150 shp / 65 014 Kw = 37,00 kts
Range 2 000nm at 14,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 160 tons

Complement:
160 - 209

Cost:
£1,889 million / $7,557 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 109 tons, 4,9 %
- Guns: 74 tons, 3,4 %
- Weapons: 34 tons, 1,6 %
Armour: 13 tons, 0,6 %
- Armament: 13 tons, 0,6 %
Machinery: 1 484 tons, 67,1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 452 tons, 20,4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 154 tons, 7,0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
255 lbs / 116 Kg = 4,8 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,02
Metacentric height 1,0 ft / 0,3 m
Roll period: 13,9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 41 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,50
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0,33

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,548 / 0,552
Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18,11 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 77 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 100
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00 %, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Forward deck: 30,00 %, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Aft deck: 35,00 %, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00 %, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 7,87 ft / 2,40 m
- Average freeboard: 13,32 ft / 4,06 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 226,7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 88,0 %
Waterplane Area: 7 498 Square feet or 697 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 45 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 35 lbs/sq ft or 173 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,47
- Longitudinal: 1,35
- Overall: 0,52
Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

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Re: Springsharp projekt

Inläggav Psilander » 08 jan 2012 22:39

Jag var inte helt nöjd med Bielkes brygga, den gav ett alldeles för klumpigt och anakronistiskt intryck. Jag ritade därför om den, mer i stil med Gotlands, men även de tyska Z34 jagarna som agerat förebild för denna klass.

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Re: Springsharp projekt

Inläggav KHT » 10 jan 2012 18:04

Psilander, du har inte lagt upp Bielke-rapporten här på Skalman, vare sig med eller utan bild! :lol: Bara på Shipbucket! :wink:

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Re: Springsharp projekt

Inläggav Psilander » 11 jan 2012 10:04

Okra - den ligger på Navweaps och Warshipsprojects också...
Hon har fått nya, lämpligare kanoner. De tidigare var helt absurda. Just nu har hon samma torn som tre Kronor, vilket jag skulle tro är vad en 152mm M34 L55 skulle se ut.

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Bielke, Sweden Destroyer laid down 1940

Displacement:
3 048 t light; 3 178 t standard; 3 300 t normal; 3 399 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(372,13 ft / 360,89 ft) x 45,93 ft x (13,12 / 13,42 ft)
(113,42 m / 110,00 m) x 14,00 m x (4,00 / 4,09 m)

Armament:
6 - 5,98" / 152 mm 55,0 cal guns - 115,65lbs / 52,46kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1940 Model
2 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 13,89lbs / 6,30kg shells, 150 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1940 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
8 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 60,0 cal guns - 2,14lbs / 0,97kg shells, 150 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model
4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 767 lbs / 348 kg
Main Torpedoes
5 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m torpedoes - 1,750 t each, 8,750 t total
In 1 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes
Main DC/AS Mortars
2 - 231,49 lbs / 105,00 kg Depth Charges + 30 reloads - 3,307 t total
in Stern depth charge racks
2nd DC/AS Mortars
2 - 231,49 lbs / 105,00 kg Depth Charges + 30 reloads - 3,307 t total
in Stern depth charge racks

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1,97" / 50 mm 0,98" / 25 mm 1,97" / 50 mm
2nd: 0,39" / 10 mm 0,20" / 5 mm 0,39" / 10 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 76 647 shp / 57 179 Kw = 35,00 kts
Range 2 000nm at 14,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 221 tons

Complement:
217 - 283

Cost:
£2,665 million / $10,662 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 241 tons, 7,3 %
- Guns: 215 tons, 6,5 %
- Weapons: 26 tons, 0,8 %
Armour: 58 tons, 1,7 %
- Armament: 58 tons, 1,7 %
Machinery: 1 780 tons, 53,9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 970 tons, 29,4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 253 tons, 7,7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
829 lbs / 376 Kg = 7,7 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,43
Metacentric height 2,9 ft / 0,9 m
Roll period: 11,4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 22 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,23
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0,14

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and small transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,531 / 0,535
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,86 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20,57 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 75 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 22,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 10,00 %, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Forward deck: 20,00 %, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Aft deck: 67,00 %, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
- Quarter deck: 3,00 %, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
- Average freeboard: 11,94 ft / 3,64 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 198,0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103,0 %
Waterplane Area: 11 642 Square feet or 1 082 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 66 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 65 lbs/sq ft or 318 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,74
- Longitudinal: 1,11
- Overall: 0,77
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has quick, lively roll, not a steady gun platform
Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability - (due to speed, if speed drops to 21kts it is 1,05...)

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Re: Springsharp projekt

Inläggav Psilander » 19 jan 2012 08:21

Krigets stora jagare, byggda efter inledande krigserfarenheter och kan närmast jämföras med de brittiska Battle/ Weapon typen och amerikanska Allen M. Summer. Grundläggande konstruktion för kommande svenska jagare. Moderniserade under 1950-tal (Nya sensorer, 57mm art, squid) och senare i mitten av 60-talet - byte av torpeder mot RB08 och uppgradering av de älsta sensorerna) utrangerade under perioden 1974-80.

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Ehrenstrahl, Sweden Destroyer laid down 1942

Displacement:
2 268 t light; 2 347 t standard; 2 498 t normal; 2 619 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(388,50 ft / 377,30 ft) x 42,65 ft x (13,12 / 13,53 ft)
(118,41 m / 115,00 m) x 13,00 m x (4,00 / 4,12 m)

Armament:
4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,18lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun
Dual purpose guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1942 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,98lbs / 5,89kg shells, 150 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1942 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
12 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 60,0 cal guns - 2,14lbs / 0,97kg shells, 500 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model
6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 290 lbs / 132 kg
Main Torpedoes
10 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m torpedoes - 1,758 t each, 17,580 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes
Main DC/AS Mortars
4 - 231,49 lbs / 105,00 kg Depth Charges + 30 reloads - 3,514 t total
in Depth charge throwers

Sensors
Type 274 surface search radar
Type 279 aerial search radar
Mk II director with type 285 AA FC radar
Low fq HMS

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1,97" / 50 mm 0,39" / 10 mm 1,97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 64 797 shp / 48 338 Kw = 37,00 kts
Range 3 000nm at 14,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 272 tons

Complement:
176 - 229

Cost:
£1,923 million / $7,694 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 117 tons, 4,7 %
- Guns: 76 tons, 3,0 %
- Weapons: 42 tons, 1,7 %
Armour: 31 tons, 1,3 %
- Armament: 31 tons, 1,3 %
Machinery: 1 394 tons, 55,8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 724 tons, 29,0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 230 tons, 9,2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
575 lbs / 261 Kg = 10,9 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,05
Metacentric height 1,5 ft / 0,5 m
Roll period: 14,4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,23
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0,54

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and large transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,414 / 0,421
Length to Beam Ratio: 8,85 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22,66 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 72 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 100
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00 %, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Forward deck: 30,00 %, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Aft deck: 47,00 %, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
- Quarter deck: 3,00 %, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
- Average freeboard: 14,53 ft / 4,43 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 190,5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 112,2 %
Waterplane Area: 10 372 Square feet or 964 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 68 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 47 lbs/sq ft or 229 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,59
- Longitudinal: 1,30
- Overall: 0,64
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

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Re: Springsharp projekt

Inläggav von Adler » 19 jan 2012 08:58

Kring 2500 ton - är inte den alldeles för stor för Östersjön?

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Re: Springsharp projekt

Inläggav Psilander » 19 jan 2012 11:27

von Adler skrev:Kring 2500 ton - är inte den alldeles för stor för Östersjön?


Är det Cardell du tänker på? Hon är något knubbigare variant av stadsjagare

Nej, det håller jag verkligen inte med om,skulle snarare säga det är ganska lagom i ekvationen uthållighet, stridsvärde och ko
mfort

De är alla baserade på verkliga projekt och den senaste "Ehrenstrahl" är storleksmässigt i klass med Halland, som fungerade alldeles utmärkt i våra vatten. Du glömmer dessutom att de skall fungera som eskorter på de sju haven, särskilt i nordatlanten.

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Re: Springsharp projekt

Inläggav KHT » 28 jan 2012 22:49

Här kommer en Semi-Dreadnought, återigen från mitt AU...
V' tycks?

Enter ship name, Gotrige Pre-Dreadnought Battleship laid down 1905

Displacement:
12 424 t light; 13 359 t standard; 14 310 t normal; 15 072 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(456,36 ft / 446,19 ft) x 78,74 ft x (22,31 / 23,31 ft)
(139,10 m / 136,00 m) x 24,00 m x (6,80 / 7,10 m)

Armament:
4 - 12,01" / 305 mm 45,0 cal guns - 873,08lbs / 396,02kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 8,66" / 220 mm 50,0 cal guns - 343,94lbs / 156,01kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1905 Model
6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
10 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 50,0 cal guns - 13,63lbs / 6,18kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
10 x Single mounts on sides amidships
Weight of broadside 7 756 lbs / 3 518 kg
2 - 16,5" / 420 mm, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m torpedoes - 0,784 t each, 1,568 t total
In 2 sets of submerged side tubes
1 - 16,5" / 420 mm, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m torpedo - 0,784 t total
In a submerged bow tube

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9,45" / 240 mm 291,99 ft / 89,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
Ends: 1,77" / 45 mm 111,55 ft / 34,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m
42,65 ft / 13,00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 1,77" / 45 mm 305,12 ft / 93,00 m 3,94 ft / 1,20 m
Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12,0" / 305 mm 4,13" / 105 mm 12,0" / 305 mm
2nd: 7,09" / 180 mm 4,13" / 105 mm 7,09" / 180 mm

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 2,95" / 75 mm For and Aft decks
Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1,97" / 50 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 9,45" / 240 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Hydraulic drive, 2 shafts, 13 753 shp / 10 260 Kw = 18,00 kts
Range 4 700nm at 10,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 713 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
653 - 850

Cost:
£1,358 million / $5,434 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2 071 tons, 14,5 %
- Guns: 2 069 tons, 14,5 %
- Torpedoes: 2 tons, 0,0 %
Armour: 4 590 tons, 32,1 %
- Belts: 1 354 tons, 9,5 %
- Armament: 1 784 tons, 12,5 %
- Armour Deck: 1 332 tons, 9,3 %
- Conning Tower: 120 tons, 0,8 %
Machinery: 1 146 tons, 8,0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 617 tons, 32,3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 887 tons, 13,2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
20 758 lbs / 9 416 Kg = 24,0 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 2,7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,16
Metacentric height 4,6 ft / 1,4 m
Roll period: 15,4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 95 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,99
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,90

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,639 / 0,644
Length to Beam Ratio: 5,67 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21,12 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 2,62 ft / 0,80 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00 %, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Forward deck: 30,00 %, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Aft deck: 35,00 %, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00 %, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Average freeboard: 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76,1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 153,0 %
Waterplane Area: 26 643 Square feet or 2 475 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 155 lbs/sq ft or 756 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,91
- Longitudinal: 2,35
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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Re: Springsharp projekt

Inläggav Psilander » 30 jan 2012 14:24

Forstena typen följde Ehrenstrahl typen. De delade samma skrov och maskineri men skilde sig i bestyckning. F-typen fokuserade på en stark artilleribestyckning lämpad för både ytstrid och luftförsvar. De fick en 30,5cm AUGR m/51 squid istället för det aktra torpedstället. Alla torpederna kom senare att ersättas med Rb08.

De utgjorde kärnan av kalla krigets ytstridsfartyg.

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Re: Springsharp projekt

Inläggav Psilander » 15 sep 2012 19:30

Under 1930talet övergick den svenska flottan mot en mer L'jeune ecole inspirerad doktrin. De äldre slagskeppen av Sverige-typ fasades ut och ersattes med 2st slagkryssare för sjöfartsstrid på de sju haven. De byggdes primärt som ett svar på de tyska pansarskeppen.

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Karl XIV Johan,
Oscar II

SWEDEN BC laid down 1932

Displacement:
16 799 t light; 17 660 t standard; 18 404 t normal; 18 999 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
629,92 ft / 623,36 ft x 72,18 ft (Bulges 82,02 ft) x 26,25 ft (normal load)
192,00 m / 190,00 m x 22,00 m (Bulges 25,00 m) x 8,00 m

Armament:
6 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (2x3 guns), 864,00lbs / 391,90kg shells, 1910 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, all forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
14 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns (7x2 guns), 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1934 Model
Dual purpose guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all aft
12 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 5,65lbs / 2,56kg shells, 1918 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 5 raised mounts
12 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm guns (8 mounts), 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 1932 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 5 752 lbs / 2 609 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9,84" / 250 mm 341,21 ft / 104,00 m 10,66 ft / 3,25 m
Ends: 0,98" / 25 mm 246,06 ft / 75,00 m 10,66 ft / 3,25 m
36,09 ft / 11,00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 0,98" / 25 mm 383,86 ft / 117,00 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 84 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9,84" / 250 mm 5,91" / 150 mm 10,0" / 254 mm
2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm 0,39" / 10 mm 0,98" / 25 mm

- Armour deck: 3,94" / 100 mm, Conning tower: 7,87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 101 946 shp / 76 052 Kw = 31,80 kts
Range 6 500nm at 12,00 kts (Bunkerage = 1 340 tons)

Complement:
789 - 1 027

Cost:
£7,333 million / $29,331 million


Huvudsaklig inspirationskälla har varit Scharnhorst, Nelson och Strassbourg.

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Re: Springsharp projekt

Inläggav Psilander » 07 dec 2012 20:29

Uppdaterat hemsidan
Slagfartyg och hangarfartyg samt marinflyget och lite bakgrund

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Re: Springsharp projekt

Inläggav TomTop » 08 dec 2012 18:00

Bra sida du håller på med, har du koll på galärer med? Typ Serafimerorden, callmar, malmö osv?

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Inläggav Psilander » 10 dec 2012 09:44

TomTop skrev:Bra sida du håller på med, har du koll på galärer med? Typ Serafimerorden, callmar, malmö osv?

Ur ett historiskt perspektiv ja,iaf hyfsad koll på skärgårdsflottan. Dock sträcker sig sidan från 1860 och framåt så galärer är ganska överspelade och ersatta av monitorer. Hittar du HÄR

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Inläggav Psilander » 01 jan 2013 20:03

Lite mer uppdateringar

Sidan med "escorts" uppdaterad - HÄR

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Inläggav Psilander » 02 jan 2013 22:43

Börjat redigeringen av mina kryssare, här en pansarkryssare från 1898, baserad på liknande tyska koncept. Som ni ser bär hon namn efter 1500-tals fartyg

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Mars, Solen, Jupiter, Armoured cruiser Sweden laid down 1898

Displacement:
8 046 t light; 8 449 t standard; 9 005 t normal; 9 450 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
410,11 ft / 410,11 ft x 65,62 ft x 19,69 ft (normal load)
125,00 m / 125,00 m x 20,00 m x 6,00 m

Armament:
2 - 8,27" / 210 mm guns in single mounts, 282,57lbs / 128,17kg shells, 1898 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 8,27" / 210 mm guns in single mounts, 282,57lbs / 128,17kg shells, 1898 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
6 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1898 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on centreline, all amidships
6 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm guns in single mounts, 5,57lbs / 2,53kg shells, 1889 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
6 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
6 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm guns in single mounts, 5,57lbs / 2,53kg shells, 1889 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 2 405 lbs / 1 091 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
2 - 18,0" / 457 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5,98" / 152 mm 370,73 ft / 113,00 m 9,71 ft / 2,96 m
Ends: 2,36" / 60 mm 26,25 ft / 8,00 m 9,71 ft / 2,96 m
13,12 ft / 4,00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 2,36" / 60 mm 266,57 ft / 81,25 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 139 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5,98" / 152 mm 3,35" / 85 mm 3,94" / 100 mm
2nd: 5,98" / 152 mm 3,35" / 85 mm 3,94" / 100 mm
3rd: 3,94" / 100 mm - -
4th: 2,36" / 60 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1,00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 5,98" / 152 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 18 791 ihp / 14 018 Kw = 21,00 kts
Range 4 000nm at 10,00 kts (Bunkerage = 1 001 tons)

Complement:
461 - 600

Cost:
£0,958 million / $3,834 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 301 tons, 3,3 %
Armour: 1 957 tons, 21,7 %
- Belts: 1 116 tons, 12,4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Armament: 423 tons, 4,7 %
- Armour Deck: 362 tons, 4,0 %
- Conning Tower: 56 tons, 0,6 %
Machinery: 3 031 tons, 33,7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 758 tons, 30,6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 959 tons, 10,7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
5 099 lbs / 2 313 Kg = 18,0 x 8,3 " / 210 mm shells or 1,0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,44
Metacentric height 5,0 ft / 1,5 m
Roll period: 12,4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 67 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,23
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,34

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0,595
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,25 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20,25 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m (13,12 ft / 4,00 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Stern: 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Average freeboard: 15,09 ft / 4,60 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 138,6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106,2 %
Waterplane Area: 19 590 Square feet or 1 820 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 86 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 100 lbs/sq ft or 489 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,57
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


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