Plastnycklar

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Plastnycklar

Inlägg av Hans » 27 apr 2019 17:16

Jag köpte Khomeini's forgotten sons The story of Iran's boy soldiers av Ian Brown i syfte att se om det fanns någon referens till dessa berömda plastnycklar.

Under och efter Iran-Irakkriget på åttiotalet så spreds historien om hur de iranska mullorna gav plastnycklar till barnsoldaterna de skickade ut. De skulle vara nyckeln som lät de komma in i himlen.

Jag har i åratal försökt hitta någon form av bevis för att de har funnits. Men hitintills endast hörsägen. Jag skummade boken snabbt och hittade ingenting om plastnycklar.

Jag har bestämt mig nu att det är en skröna och/eller falsk propaganda från Irak (eller annorstädes).

Kan någon hosta upp en bild från då på en av dessa plastnycklar hägnades på ett iranskt barn skall jag omvärdera min uppfattning. Jag avfärdar helt alla som säger att det var så, inklusive iranier som jag känner en bunt av.

Någon?

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Re: Plastnycklar

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Re: Plastnycklar

Inlägg av Femtiotrean » 28 apr 2019 05:28

"Die Schlüssel zum Paradies waren aus Plastik und kamen aus Taiwan. Während des Iran-Irak-Krieges 1980 bis 1988 importierte das iranische Regime 500.000 davon." skrev den tyska politologen Matthias Küntel i Der Spiegel och man kan läsa om de guldfärgade plastnycklar på olika språk. Men när man kollar fotnoterna så är det alltid en sekondär källa, en (västerländsk) bok eller artikel.

Det som jag vet att jag har sett var en bild av Ajatollah Khomeini i plastfodral som frivilliga (vuxna) soldater hade på sig (antingen runt halsen eller på uniformsbrösten, det minns jag inte) i en dokumentärfilm som visades på TV:n för ett par år sedan. Huvudpersonen var en f.d. propagandafotograf som tog jättefina, starka och stämningsfulla svartvita bilder som man då använde att locka nya frivilliga till fronten och som man nu kan se både som värdefulla historiska eller konstnärliga fotografier.

(Själv ångrar han att han giick med i tidens anda och att han tog bilderna i det syfte som han gjorde. Han lider av depression och han känner att hans liv är en enda stor sorg för de hundratusentals liv och de vänner som förlorades. Han försöker gottgöra genom att inte glömma, han utställer sina fotografier och besöker martyrernas familjer eller släktningar och blir ännu mer depresserad när han ser hur ingen minns dem eller vill minnas. Samtidigt saknar han det som han beskriver som en anda av renhet och offervillighet som de frivilliga hade och som de höll även när krigets vardagliga verklighet hade blivit uppenbart.)

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Re: Plastnycklar

Inlägg av Hans » 28 apr 2019 11:18

Tack 53'an för länken och som du säger är det alltid sekundära källor. Just siffran 500 000 och att de tillverkades i något östasiatiskt land förekommer också fast landet varierar.

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Inlägg av Amund » 19 maj 2019 15:05

Provade med Google translate att få fram de persiska orden för plast, nyckel, krig och bildgooglade men utan vettigt resultat. Min uppfattning är att det borde finnas en del överensstämmande bilder på sådana plastnycklar om historien vore sann, men det enda som kommer upp är vanligt krafs som säljs i en vanlig nyckelbar nuförtiden.

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Inlägg av Hans » 19 maj 2019 15:35

Tack för trålen Amund.

Jag har varit på jakt i minst nio år, fick detta på ACIG 2010:
Hi every One
I read the whole story and with the grate respect that I have for Tarmac , I just could say that never heard of or saw such that Keys before Hans, It sounds more to be of Iraqi propaganda during the war time with Iran and to be honest with you, if I seen or heard something like that you be sure that I would have be first to open it to the world , But let me say my own experience regarding the condition on the Shalamcheh front line during operation K.8. Well it was about middle of the operation (May be day 4 or 5) and a blood shade was already in progress from the morning just south west of fish lake. About noon time I received an order to take ammo. and supply for two IRGC T-55 and they give one young guy to me to guide me to the position of tanks ,so as a bad experience had of last night young guide(which I will give his story on Iran-Iraq ground war thread later) I did not talk to him much ( be consider I was also on my 20th) and was little tired so not take the guy seriously and as loading completed asked my co-driver who was an old man called Haj Fallah to get the information of him and Cone me on the way to the position, some where east of Basrah but on the west of fish lake and on my way as I was passing a cut in the mine filed I saw an unarmed young Basije who was wondering there clearly dizzying without any reason so I thought "On my way back I will catch him and take him back with myself" so passed from him and we find two Tanks just stopping in north-south direction, one on the aft of the other on the right side of the road waiting for me, I passed them and stop in line of them and ordered to unload but as had experience I remained on my seat inside my Khashayar and the crew of tanks and mine become busy with discharging and I was fingering my radio to get contact to my base, Suddenly my co driver called me and asking me to come out and watch , I came out and , Oh my god I saw a Toyota full of the bodies of our solders, Basije, IRGCs which you can identify from their uniforms and como. clothing which unit they belong, put on top of each other as wood logs and the van driver and his aide trying to cover their load by some blankets ,some of the bodies were so fresh and still bleeding that you could feel they were alive few minutes earlier, so I feel bad and shout them to finish it quickly and also my men to finish and , I want to leave the area so few time later I was on my way back to the base but as I reached the cutting on mine field , I saw the shattered body of the same young Basijei ( who I saw on the way) laying on the mines and I could not to stop to collect his body and passed him with the tears in my eyes as I felt "I could have saved him" Its my fault , but I told to myself I could not endanger the life of T55 and my crew . So I get backed to base and parked BTR50 it was evening time and the sky become red on the west horizon , I was standing in front of entrance of my trench watching the sun set and one IRGC cadre noticed my sadness and said " It is a beautiful sun set isnt it? I replied unwillingly that "so many of friends today saw the sun rise but didnt see its setting" the Pasdar guy said what do you mean and I told him I mean nothing But he insist that You mean something and He is going to report that and will ask them to put me in court Marshall by being anti war, I told him whatever you like to do , but get clear off me because something bad may happen to him. Need not to say that he was actually done what he was saying and after the operation ends someone from IRGC military court come to me and asked abut my argue with the same Pasdar boy, I told him the story and he leaved me unharmed. Sorry to make this long story but you be sure the "keys to the haven" story is only a propaganda made by enemy or west , I admit that some were so young which could not figure what the real war is and were thinking that it is a game and on the end of the day every one will go home safe and sound ( Which is the other story of me and a very young BMP driver called TADDAYON I will post later) and Tarmac your grand papa may be mistaken it by some grenade shape plastic money boxes which where given at the time to school kids to donate money for helping to defend the country.
http://www.acig.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6267

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Inlägg av Hans » 19 maj 2019 15:45

Amund skrev:
19 maj 2019 15:05
persiska orden
Bra tänkt, googleöversatt från iranska wiki:
There are reports in the Western media that during the Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988), the plastic keys to paradise were led by the Islamic Republic of Iran among young Iranian military volunteers. Golden Key Plastic Paradise has been widely reported, each symbolizing the arrival of some to Paradise for volunteers who were killed. The report was disputed by researchers in the Iran-Iraq war.

It should be noted how with millions of photos and videos and the memory of this war, there are no traces of these keys made by the minds of foreigners!

The combination of the book, "Mofatih al-Jannan", sometimes associated with combatants (meaning "Keys to Paradise"), and the plaques that were assigned to combatants may have made such a strange story about the great men of war.
Arabiska:
During the first Gulf War (1980-1988), allegations spread that the leadership of the Islamic Republic of Iran had distributed plastic keys to the Commission to young volunteers in the Iranian army. The Western media reported that there were "gold" colored plastic keys for the Commission that had been largely released, all of which symbolized the Commission's guaranteed entry into the volunteers who had been killed.

This claim was highly controversial. The soldiers were issued with shiny identity cards and / or plastic identification cards, as well as copies of the prayer book by Sheikh Abbas al-Qami (died in 1959) entitled ' Keys of the Jinan ' or 'Keys to Paradise'. Some stressed that this confusion of military and religious material enabled opponents of the spirit of God, Mousavi Khomeini, to say that the soldiers had been given "plastic keys to heaven" - a concept they hoped would provoke ridicule in the Western media against Khomeini.

In a peer-reviewed article published in the Comparative American Studies, Professor Sayed Marandi considered that the "absurdity" of the claims of the plastic keys (which he would have liked to see as an old war veteran in the first Gulf War) and similar allegations were a characteristic of the discourse Which can not be challenged by the Western public, "it reinforces Iran's dominant representation in America by portraying an alien Iran derived primarily from the US archives.

During coverage of the "imposed war," the New York Times reporter claimed: "I saw the Iranian soldiers preparing for the battle wearing small gold keys on their uniforms while other soldiers wore medals, the keys that would take their lives directly to heaven if they died." No photographs of these keys were published.
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Re: Plastnycklar

Inlägg av Blixten » 19 maj 2019 19:08

Bra jobbat Hans! Jag läser gärna mer från den killen.